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I would also rather see problem lions and bears as well for that matter killed by hunters. But when there are problems they can't wait on a hunter because of liability, sadly thats the world we live in.

Thats not quite the same thing as what you are talking about but there are areas where the Game and fish guys are trying to get people to kill more lions and its not happening. I was told those units that still have year round lion hunting are not getting enough lions killed.

I don't see it happening to save deer but sounds like you have a good source...

I do know that the AZG&F uses snares for capturing lions and bear (and Jaguar :wink: ) for study purposes... maybe he saw some of those?
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I think this is what luckylgh is talking about.
Game and Fish posted this on Facebook...one sheep every 10 days!!!!



YUMA, Ariz. – The Arizona Game and Fish Department on Tuesday afternoon lethally removed a mountain lion known to be preying heavily on bighorn sheep in the Kofa Mountains Complex Predation Management Area in southwestern Arizona.


The lion was taken in the Eagletail Mountains located about 90 miles northeast of Yuma.


The action was taken in a continuing effort to help restore the struggling Kofa bighorn sheep population, whose numbers declined more than 50 percent from an estimated 815 in 2000 to a low of 391 in 2006. The most recent survey in 2008 indicated an estimated population of 436.

The mountain lion was killed in accordance with the department’s May 2007 “Kofa Mountains Complex Predation Management Plan,” which is in place to monitor and limit predation during recovery efforts of this historic and critically important bighorn sheep population. The plan stipulates that an offending mountain lion—defined as one that kills more than one bighorn sheep within a six-month period—may be lethally removed when bighorn sheep population levels are below a certain threshold.

The lion, a male fitted with a telemetry collar, was known to have killed 15 bighorn sheep, 11 within the predation management area, since being collared in late February.

“This one lion was averaging a bighorn sheep kill every 10 days,” said Pat Barber, supervisor for the Arizona Game and Fish Region IV office in Yuma. “At that rate, an estimated 37 bighorn sheep would have been lost to this lion in a year.”

With a current average annual recruitment of only 44 bighorn sheep within the Kofa Mountains Complex Predation Management Area (including 39 on the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge), the impact of such heavy predation could have been devastating.


“As the agency responsible for the long-term sustainability of wildlife populations across the state, we have to use science-based data to make the best decisions possible,” said Barber. “In this case, the data made a compelling case for action. Doing nothing would have likely resulted in further reduction of an already depressed bighorn sheep population and made recovery efforts even more difficult.”

The department continues to work, in collaboration with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, on a comprehensive management approach to address the potential issues preventing recovery of the Kofa bighorn sheep population. This approach includes health and disease assessments of the sheep herd, evaluation of water distribution and availability, evaluating the impacts of human disturbance, and evaluating the impacts of mountain lion predation.

With other mountain lions remaining in the Kofa Mountains Complex Predation Management Area, Game and Fish biologists will continue to take an active role in monitoring bighorn sheep losses attributed to predation.


“The goal is not to remove all mountain lions from the management area, but to limit predation until the sheep population recovers,” said Barber. “Mountain lion populations throughout the state are healthy and they are neither rare, threatened or at risk. The same can’t be said for this bighorn sheep population.”


The Kofa bighorn sheep herd has played a critical role in restoring desert bighorn sheep populations into areas where they have been extirpated (no longer exist, but once did) in Arizona and throughout the southwestern U.S. Transplant efforts using the Kofa herd were suspended when the population began to decline earlier this decade.


Game and Fish will be conducting aerial population surveys throughout the region this October. Results are anticipated to be available in November.

“It’s going to take years for this herd to rebound,” Barber said. “But, it’s important we play an active role in the recovery.”

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is working on an environmental assessment (EA) proposing management options for limiting mountain lion predation on bighorn sheep within the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge. The draft EA is open for public comment until Oct. 2 and can be viewed at www.fws.gov/southwest/refuges/arizona/kofa. The EA is not required for the Arizona Game and Fish Department to manage resident wildlife (including mountain lions and bighorn sheep) off the Refuge.

For history, facts, FAQ’s, research and more on the struggling Kofa bighorn sheep population, visit www.azgfd.gov/kofa.
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The kofas have desert sheep that are the top list for azgf. And I dont think there is many hounddoggers that hunt that part of the state.
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Thanks for sharing that interesting article and that makes much more sense than lions being removed taking their main food source (deer). They are conducting a study very similar to that here in WY on lion predation on big horn sheep. Relocating sheep in areas is very costly and they monitor them closely to keep track of the numbers. Predation and disease are big issues in having success in wild sheep recovery. If there is a lion as the one in the article that has a taste for sheep it will keep killing them. I would like to learn more about this situation and see if the lion was killing and eating the whole carcase of just the vitals like most lions do on domesticated sheep. I know that has nothing to do with the topic at hand but would be intersting to know this information. I know most probably think that one species shouldn't be put over another, but as Benny said there will always be lions in AZ and to remove one or more that is causing trouble will not wipe out the population. And for Lucky G&F know a lot more than most give them credit for. Just because you do not agree with certain management issues does not mean they do not know what they are doing. I do suggest you check your facts before you post topics like this on here. Harvesting lions to protect a wild sheep recovery effort and harvisting lions because deer hunters are upset are two entirely different things. ;)
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They don't even have to kill a sheep in New Mexico to be killed.. if they get in bighorn sheep range they are snared or caught with dogs if they can be. The state hires trappers and houndsmen to work the bighorn sheep ranges. I have seen more deer kills in the big horn sheep range then sheep but I guess if you have one start on the sheep they can do alot of damage.

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Don't want to start anything but, maybe you should look at it from the gov houndsman side. When you make 23k a year but you get a truck and benifits and a 120 dollar dog food allowence a month, you have to sell a few dogs a year to make ends meet. You run 300 days out of 365 days a year and live in the desert 6 days a week rain snow or shine. Most ranches and blm country has more lions then they can handle, and if everyday weekend hounds man could run and catch they would be ok. Most of them sit and wait for fresh snow and look for tracks off the road out of thier warm truck. They dont pack up and head in 3 mile till they find what they are after. Just a side of someone that it is not a hobbie but a life and a living.
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just curious, what part of the state did this allegedly occur? Northwest, Norhteast, Southwest, Southeast?
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"Critically important big horn sheep population" ? Critical to what? Revenue for the state?
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