Really bad day and alot of unanswered questions!

[grouse]

George i agree with you , we hunt coyotes and for one to kill a hound would be a low probability .

[briarpatch]

Been around hounds and coyotes for over 50 years. The probability of a coyote killing a grown hound is VERY low (here in Texas).

briarpatch

[Ike]

George i agree with you , we hunt coyotes and for one to kill a hound would be a low probability .

Don't hunt them but I know a guy who does. He claimed that he would put his blue dogs on a yote to run it down then when his plott dog arrived that yote wasn't long for this world!

ike

[jkcasey]

I don't know about the yotes in Utah, but here in NM the breeding/mating season is from late Dec. thru Feb. I've had dogs kill the piss out of a yote in short order,one on one, not even a contest. I once had two coyotes jump a big redtick under the tree by himself. The only reason I say two, is that was what was there dead or trying to crawl off when I got to the tree. You have to stop and think about a dog fight. The winner is probaly going to be the bigger tougher dog. Down here my average weight on all the yotes I trap is 22lbs. Thats not to say they don't get bigger the further north you get, but around here a true to life 40lb dog coyote is almost unheard of. So you look at your average hound, lets say it weighs 40lbs, that is a pretty good weight advantage. A pack of yotes, good chance, but not one on one, or two or three dogs on one yote. As for a coyote scaveging a kill or snatching fluffy out of the backyard, that's common activity for both urbanized and wild coyotes. Not trying to ruffle any feathers, just my two pennies.

[007pennpal]

Mike, wow I think I walked to deep in the canyon to get my dogs and developed a cool case of dislexia. I read his home state as MN instead of NM. I am pretty good at BS though. I think it was a lion too. Just wanted to add my two cents about the possibilities. Just a note though. Oregon-Fish and Game department said that there were no wolverines in Oregon until everyone started putting out game cams. Now, we have a population. Its so weird how the game camaras have attracted this elusive animal. I didn't know technology and nature were so closely linked.

[houndnem]

like I said I saw my two dogs kill a coyote, but I have read many a post on here where guys have had dogs eaten by packs of coyotes. How many people have had there dogs get eaten by a lion that they treed? don't sound very likely to me but whatever. Seen my dogs stretch many a lion and a coyote. the coyote put up a much better fight and heaven forbid five or ten of his buddies had been there, then what 1 or two dogs gona whoop a whole ten pack of yotes????? ive never seen a lion looking down from a tree trying to decide which dog would make the best snack, mostly just lookin for an exit strategy, and for god sakes he said he had three dogs on a medium to small lion. I'm pretty sure three of my yearlins could take that lion. did the other two dogs just set and pick their nose while lion was devouring their buddy? I have seen a pack of yotes take down an elk, don't shit yourself that they couldn't corner a hound and stretch the crap out of him.

[George Streepy]

I know of more hounds killed by lions than coyotes. In fact I have never heard of a hound being killed by a coyote. Pups but not full grown hounds. But I don't hunt coyotes with dogs. The fact he found lion tracks seals the deal for me. But wait, ten coyotes came in and killed the dog, because the lion is to much of a wimp? Then the wimpy lion came out of the tree and beat up all those coyotes and took the dog from them? Maybe the lion doesn't want to challenge two hounds but it will take on a whole pack of coyotes?

I am sorry to even post but I think your being silly. It was a lion.

[jkcasey]

Something else to think about. If it were more than one yote, he should have been able to find some yote tracks. What he found, as George stated, was a set of lion tracks. It's just like that CSI show on TV, follow the evidence. If I found a lion track and no yote tracks, I would be thinking lion, not a pack of killer, super yotes.

[houndnem]

Might have been george, I don't know. don't matter anyway the fact of the matter is that his dog is dead and that sucks!!!! The only time I ever seen a lion prey on dogs is when they are hunting the dog not when the dogs are hunting them. I will look up some of the posts from guys who were running lions and had coyotes devour their dogs so you belive me. I also have come close to having it happen. I've never seen or heard of a lion turning the hunt around after the sun goes down, dogs can see plenty good at night and cats just want to get away. even those nasty ground fightin toms, as soon as they get their chance they're gone. do you subscribe to bill boatmans? he sells bells to put on dogs to ward off yotes. It's not all that common, but it happens. Where's the stories about lions turing the hunt around on hounds??? and what kinda dog would let that happen?? one on one my dogs gona keep a lion in a tree. also I think if it was a lion that ate him he would have been burried up real handy like. that's what all lion kills I have ever seen do. I think the main thing is you have a hard on for me and to tell you the truith I just like chicks so keep it away from me.

[houndnem]

Last Dec. my wife bought me an early X-mas present, her and my oldest son drove for about 20 hours straight to go pick up Cricket. My wife paid 500.00 for a 8 year old walker female that was going to be my new cat dog. The dog was everyyhing and more what Don Johnson (the owner) said she was.
She treed 4 bobs this season for me this season and did a fine job doing it, until last friday,I put her down on another bobcat around 3:45 in the afternoon, she was cold trailing the track for about two hours and I never did hear her jump it, but the treeing switch in her coller was going off. She was in a roadless area which was makeing it difficult for me to get close to her. After about 4-5 hours of her treeing switch going off I decided I was going to have to walk in to find her, by the way I never heard her barking. My oldest son and I found her tracks and started walking, we walked for about an hour through some of the nastyest reprod and blow downs that i have ever walked threw. I kept checking my reciever and could tell that we were getting closer but still couldnt hear anythig, we found her tracks and stayed on them.
After about another 1/2 hour of walking the wosrt happend, we found blood everywhere it looked like a war zone, I couldnt believe what we were seeing. About 15 feet away I found her tracking collar and her name plate collar liyng there on top of the snow, ther must have been 7,8,or 9 coyote tracks all around ther. My son found 4 pieces of bone on the ground and that was it. I never in my life seen anything like this, those coyotes ate everything. I would never have thought coyotes would do something like this. Crickit is gone but she wont be forgotten, I will get my reveng on coyotes.


There's one, still think it don't happen?????

[George Streepy]

I don't have anything against you what so ever. Nothing. I just call it as I see it. I will be the first to admit that anything is possible. I am sure coyotes can gang up on and kill hounds, I have never heard of it. I have heard of lions killing hounds. I can give a few examples of guys I know personally that have experienced this unfortunate event. I do not give examples simply because if those fellas wanted their misfortune talked about they would be posting about it, it isn't my story. As I have told you before just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I dislike you or have something against you. I definitely do not have a hard on for you or anyone else of our gender. We got off on the wrong foot with the lion rigging fiasco but I do agree with alot of things you have said.

Sorry to the gentleman that lost the hound, no matter the culprit, it is unfortunate to say the least. I am done debating coyotes, it is up to him to decide what happened. I apologize for my part in the side tracking of his topic.

[Benny G]

All predators behave out of fashion from time to time. With as much catch and release that goes on these days, as well as folks not always being able to stay close to thier dogs, the predators are showing signs of changing thier behaviors.

My dogs caught a lion in a cottonwood tree one day, and I was only about 4 or 5 minutes behind them-I never lost hearing them. When I got there, the dogs were treeing at the base of the tree, but the lion was perhaps 45 feet away on a horizontal limb. The lion didn't even know that I was there. It had it's focus on the 7 dogs that were all raising a stink. I have been in the tree with lions of all sizes, and I wasn't concerned about this one. I threw a stick at the lion to get it's attention, and to get a couple of young dogs more excited. Well that lion didn't appreciate that stick on the head. It turned to look at me, and then I got concerned. I looked around, and saw that I occupied the only clearing in that bottom we were in. That ole lion looked me in the eye, crouched down, started wringing it's tail, got all tensed up, and no one can convince me that it's intentions toward me were not hostile. I grabbed another stick and chunked that lion right in the skull which changed it's focus. In my limited experience, that lion didn't behave normal. There seems to be more and more of that going around.

[chilcotin hillbilly]

Catch enough lions and they will kill a dog or two of yours Houndem. It is just a matter time. When a cat wants to kill a dog they just do. If you dogs are stetching cats they are probably cats that are spent, and have been jumped out of trees a few times in a row, it doesn't take to much of a dog to do that. The only dog I have had killed was by a large tom who ambushed the dogs on the jump, grabbed the first dog and carried it off, the other dogs got the tom off the dog. I was only minutes behind and grabbed up my 2 pups when I found all the blood and no dog. I followed the the cat tracks thinking it was carring the first dog after about 100 yards my pups could not stand it any more and ran into the bush 20 yards away, one bay was all I got and the first pup in had a broken neck. the second pup came back out. When a cat is not tired they really can kill a dog anytime, it just seems that most of the time they don't care to. I found the first dog waiting at my truck about a mile away with 4 puctures in its throat. She lost her voice for about 4 months and made a full recovery.

[Conejos]

Hey guys i appreciate all the kind words and the advice. I wasn't sure at first but after going back and finding the dogs remains move another hundred yards and lion tracks in the dirt i got my answer. I was always afraid this might happen to this particular dog because for all his talents he had one draw back and that was that he got too agresive with cats. I know that might sound like a good thing but what I mean is he was a tree climber and the few time he bayed up cats on ledges he wouldn't back off kept getting in there and chewing and made them jump pretty quick. I always hoped he might just get a scratch and that would teach him to back off a little. I am convinced that night that after the cat jumped the tree I got pretty close with the truck at one point while they were trailing him. I honked the horn and hollered and my bluetick came off the race but the majestic walker just wouldn't. Either the lion decided to attack or my dog caught him on the ground made a mistake and ended up dead. My dog was not a pussy. We all know a lion could damn sure kill dogs at leizure if it wanted to. Thank god most of the time they don't!

[houndnem]

Well it sounds like you figured it out, too bad it don't make it feel any better. My intentions were only to broaden your options as to what happened to your dog. seemed like rather than state their own opinion people said I was being "silly". My last post was copied and paisted from a topic on here a couple months ago and it was the first thing that popped into my mind when I heard the story. I have had dogs killed by lions before and it sucks!!!! george, I'm glad to hear that your straight. had me worried there for a while. no hard feelings, till the next time. I got nothing against you either happy huntin to yall!!!!

P.s. I had what I thought was my best dog killed by a lion a long time ago. Turns out it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I had a 2 month old pup that I was trying to get rid of cuz I didn't keep more than two dogs back then. Because he died I kept her and she has seen over 100 lions since and is 50 times the dog that he ever was. I'm not saying this will happen to you, but what I'm saying is, "it's an ill wind that don't blow in some good"!