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Daniel,

While I can sympathize with your feelings on the "city folk" mentality, you've got quite a few wrong facts in your assumptions.

We all have this notion that yesteryear was better than now. In some cases it was and in others it was not. When Lewis and Clark made their trek, they documented in some cases the total lack of game in areas. In other research I've read it made a parallel on how thriving game populations only existed in border lands of fighting indian tribes. Many, Many game populations were on the brink of being wiped out before regulations were put on their harvest. The passenger pigeon comes to mind of one that wasn't regulated quick enough. So if the times of the Native Americans had sparce game, what do you think would happen with 250 million on just US soil. Without the advent of improved farming practices, we wouldn't have nearly the global population we have today.

Now on the subject of rights and freedoms. We have the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Nearly everything else is a freedom.

Now while I loathe everything that liberal tree huggers represent, They still have the freedom and the right to believe what they believe. It doesn't make their views correct, but I firmly stand behind their freedom to have their beliefs. Their problem is that that they live in the magical fantasy world where everything is perfect while the rest of us live in reality where stuff dies and checks bounce.

I think our government is headed in completely the wrong direction at the moment. But if you think this ship is going to continue down that path, you are mistaken. Middle America is PISSED about all this crap and will hopefully make major changes in the next major elections.

Daniel said:

I feel that every person that is an american is entitled they're fair share of the game in america, to live off the land and to do as they please if it doesnt effect another person in a negative way. If america went back to living off the land that population would drop like i said before and there would be enough room for everyone.

Are you not saying the same thing when you claim you feel it is your entitlement to take your fair share of the game animals in this country as those folk that claim they are entitled to health care?

We still are a represented democracy the last time I looked. The only things we have a right too are written in the bill of rights the rest are privileges. 300 million people in this country and only 100 million vote? That is 33.3 % of the nation. Nothing will change until the masses show up and vote. I for one get sick of hearing how these cities trump the small town vote and then ask the person if they voted and they say no, it does not matter anyways.

So get informed Talk to everyone you know and exercise YOUR RIGHT to vote.

This thread was about living off the land And I think someone hit it right on when he said farmers. I will add ranchers, dairy men, miners, fishermen, guides, the list goes on.

sourdough

For one Rowdy, if you opened you eyes enough to actually read my post in it's entirity, you would see that i said "As far as I know (dont have personal experience because i wasnt alive) back in the eariler 1900's". That is what i remember from history classes. really your just making yourself look like an idiot by coming into this post. You don't know my situation or very many other people's, so don't go making comments about get a job and survive off your hard work. Seems you must be one of those big city yuppies or something cause obviously something i said struck a nerve with you lmao haha

And other than that I can agree with the farmer deal. But much else I feel this is getting way out of hand and don't really care to carry this on. I obviously have different views than the ones that replied back. I never said anything about deciding who would be killed or anything. All I refered to was survival of the fittest.

With that said I'm not here to make enemies but friends so I will we just step out of this post because i feel its heading the wrong direction quick and people are coming across as irriated. So if your one of those people I will come forward and appoligize. We are all houndsmen and sportsmen. We need to stick together not fight each other.

sourdough wrote:We still are a represented democracy the last time I looked.

We are SUPPOSE to be a represented democracy. Here in Colorado 70% of the people in John Salazar's district were against the health care bill but he still voted in favor of it. To me, that is not a representation of the people. That's a government fatcat watching his own ass.

Acutally you know what, this is a good chance for some people that are blind to the government and everything that is going on to be enlighted. Also for some people that are mislead but wrong facts and such to be educated. I will admit I am probably wrong in some of the facts that I base my mentality off of. What is think is that the people on here that actually know what they are talking about should join in and enlighten me and many others. My interest in what is going on today is growing and growing everyday. I WILL FULLY ADMIT, I USED TO BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT FELT THAT I MY WORDS FELL ON DEAF EARS AND THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO TO CHANGE THE WORD. I no longer feel that way and want to get involved and educated the best that I can to help our state and country. So please fill me in. I'm ready to stand up and fight for our "rights" or "freedom" what ever you call it.

On a personal note, I am currently unemployed. I was laid off and living in a town that is suffering bad for jobs. The mill was shut down and a lot of jobs were lost. The ones that were open were filled very quickly while I was still employed. I have been applying for jobs through out the state even though that will mean I will have to move away from my wife since she is finishing her last term in college. I am willing to do that to be a working citizen. So I am one of the ones that would be fined for not having health care because I simply can not afford it right now. It makes no sense to me!

Thats why I want to be educated and want to help the fight!

I am educated and in the fight every day.

I own my own land, have no debt and don't get riled up over an internet message boards. I've been in the same job for twenty years and never said you needed to get a job Daniel. It was a general statement.

Who struck a nerve Sheesh.! Don't go throwing a temper tantrum there junior.

Well, why don't you share your vast wealth of knowlegde and education with us all than. Also explain what you do to fight every day. Perhaps we can follow in your ways if they are legit and get things done quicker.

Coyote wrote:

sourdough wrote:We still are a represented democracy the last time I looked.

We are SUPPOSE to be a represented democracy. Here in Colorado 70% of the people in John Salazar's district were against the health care bill but he still voted in favor of it. To me, that is not a representation of the people. That's a government fatcat watching his own ass.

This was a "live off the land question" that turned political as I think so many conversations are becoming. I can say this, we are still a represented democracy and it's still We The People. If your rep. went against the will of the people in his district as you say, he will pay for it come election time. These are troubled and uncertain times in our nations history. But I would not want to be any place else in the world. We have power in our voice. To show you, until today I did not know John Salazar from the man on the moon though he represents your district he also represent the people as a united states senator every one in this country could of called his office and voiced their thought on the health care bill. The problem we have, is most of us have a million thing going on in our lives. From work to kids and everything in between, this country is a sleeping giant that is just starting to open it's eyes. I may not have faith in my Government but I do my fellow man.

sourdough

It's easy to say how nice it would be to live off the land when in fact we are sitting in our comfortable homes typing on the computer . I for one remember when i had to trap hunt coon and fox and whatever else i could catch just to help pay bills' buy christmas present ect.. it sucked . You wake up in the morning in the winter and the glass of water sitting on the table from the night before is frozen solid and the kids are going to be getting up for school and your trying to get it half way warm in there before you have to leave. I would say most people who lived off the land did it from necessity not from choice. When your out camping you always know that when your ready to go home theres a nice hot shower and bed waiting for you. If not it might not seem like such a romantic idea. This is just my oppinion so don't give me no shit about it !

grouse,

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Just kidding, have a good April 1

sourdough

Have a good one sourdough !

As far as the country going to hell in a handbasket, check the voter turnout in your local elections and you might see why we are in this mess. The cold hard facts are these: most Americans are fat and happy to one degree or another. When the problem starts getting into your bank account or your pocket, thats when most folks will get up and do something. It would be interesting to know what the voter turnout would be among the members of this message board. We can change things for the better. We all have to be involved. We have been victimized by the vocal minority and its time the majority spoke loud and clear. Someone said, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".

Just can't resist chiming in. I split my time between Brooklyn NY and the Catskill mountains, and many of you survivalists sound more like my lawless neighbors in Brooklyn than you do 18th century mountain men. Lawlessness has its romantic side, or Hollywood would be out of business, but most of us aren't cut out for that life.

There are a lot more city people in this country than there are country people. If there really were one person one vote, the city slickers would win flat out. Even without the illegal aliens hiding from the census takers, its more than 3:1.

Out east here, most of those living off the land are indeed outlaws. I sometimes imagine it wouldn't be too hard to try myself, although satellite technology makes it pretty easy to locate someone if the law wants to. Local law enforcement here rarely goes in after outlaws--they wait until the outlaws come out for supplies. My hounds and I have encountered a couple in the woods. Law enforcement is too busy checking license plates on trucks parked by the side of the road to get away from the road into the deep woods, except in massive search parties for lost hikers and hunters. Don't know what they learn by checking plates? Nothing of much interest, I presume.

I don't have an internet connection at my one room cabin. I am sitting in a bar to get a connection as I type this. Cell phones don't work at my cabin. No tv. When the weather is good, I do have electric and indoor plumbing and a land line phone. I use a wood stove for heat and sleep outdoors when it gets too hot for comfort in the summer. No soft drinks--just spring water.
I am not, by any means, living off the land, or even out in the wilderness, but I get by without a lot of things most of you take for granted. [I also wear lipstick and rhinestones while hunting--but that's another matter!] The nearest gas station is twelve miles away, the nearest store 10. Its about an hour to the nearest WalMart. Last month, when my husband needed an emergency room, it was 45 minutes away, and so ill-equipped they sent him by ambulance an hour from there.

Those of us who hunt in this country believe that wild game is a resource owned by the people, not some elite like it was in Europe or ancient India. Most of us care about the game we hunt, and don't want it wiped out by too many poaching mountain men, although we are willing to overlook that if only a couple of people do it, and just for survival. Many of us admire the few eccentrics who do try to live off the land, but aren't ready to give up bananas and toilet paper to do it ourselves. Its nice to know there are a few people who still try. But living alone in the woods for too long can make you a little paranoid and antisocial. I am glad to have neighbors that will help me out in a pinch, and my life would be poorer without my friends and acquaintances, including those on this board.

I live in a place full of coyotes and turkeys that weren't here a generation ago. Most of the forested land near me was once timbered for hemlocks used to tan leather. It is now thick with mature trees and teeming with deer and bear. Nature has a way of regenerating if left to herself--including vacant lots in the city.

Please don't get too smug thinking only one kind of knowledge or one way of life is good. To each his own, and the world is better for the variety.

Shooting a man behind the ear to make sure hes dead makes you a murderer.Trying to hide the bodies afterwards?Should of got what He dished out.Mr Dalles ran to L A hid disguised himself lived of hand outs from others.So much for leave me alone live off the land mountain man.He needs a tall tree and a short rope.Old Curt

Emily, Excelent post! In my view, the biggest problem we all have is trying to shove our own agendas down each other's throats. This country was founded on freedom, but to some extent we have ALL become like the government we claim to despise. Just like our supposed well meaning polititions, most of us believe that if we could just get others to conform to our desires and beliefs, this would be a better place. When in fact, that very attitude is what we claim to despise! If what an idividual does, does not infringe on my freedoms, who am I to say that person is wrong? It would do us all some good to live for six months or so without all of the creature comforts that have spoiled us, then perhaps we would appreciate what we have, as well as each other.