Most grit ??

[ferjr]

strike dogs arent hard to make. where i live you cant bait bears, you have to have a strike dog if you are going to hunt bears with hounds. i would imagine that is the easy way to do it though, if i was to run my dogs off a bait that would pretty much be a garanteed bear, there would not be a challenge to it at all. JMO

[larry]

Don't shit yourself ferjerker, Catch is just playin w you, pretty sure I have seen a strike dog on his rack, and then some.

i gotta ask tho, since you haven't raised a finished dog from a pup how the hell do you know how easy or hard it is to make a strike dog???

Did you ever think about all the other scent around a bait when you made the statement how your finished ass kickers would get it done so easy at one, maybe they would, and they should, but throw in coyotes, deer, elk, wolves, raccoons and other animals that take advantage of a bait and it could be even more challenging than a smokin hot clean bear strike, think about it super expert

[kordog]

good one larry . but even your computer talks with a lisp .when you get done blowing your hero get that computer fixed.

[ferjr]

well larry some of us are not slow learners, such as your self, obviously. when i started i had just one strike dog, now i have four. if it was that difficult a amature such as my self couldnt have accomplished that. and i suppose there are no other scents such as deer, elk, wolves or such, in the woods. just clean hot bear trails? what your dogs have to have a smoking hot, clean bear strike in order to run it? thats hard to beleive coming from you, you know having those super plotts. i figured they could pick up a week old trail that has been ran over by at least three herds of cattle! YOU ARE ONE IGNORANT FAG!!!!!!

[Nolte]

Did you ever think about all the other scent around a bait when you made the statement how your finished ass kickers would get it done so easy at one, maybe they would, and they should, but throw in coyotes, deer, elk, wolves, raccoons and other animals that take advantage of a bait and it could be even more challenging than a smokin hot clean bear strike, think about it super expert

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with him on this.

So now you are saying you can't have nose and grit. Let me guess your dogs can trail like a bloodhound. You should hunt out west and see what tough trailing conditions are. Gritty stick hair pulling double tough SOBs aren't a dime a dozen and that is why you don't think they exist. I can tell there are dogs that can mix up day after day, pull and eat a bears ass off and not get one stitch in it. If you have dogs that will let a bear chew on a dog you just a well kill the whole pack. It is nice to have a pack of dogs that will make a bear climb by sheer power and have no vet bills. That is called brains big guy.

Nope never said that nose/grit can't be found together, only that it's tougher to find nose than grit. My dogs don't even trail like a good hound, much less a blood hound. I'm always looking though.

It's good to know that you've got our trailing conditions figured out better than I or guys I hunt with after 40 years. Load them up, jump 5 in a row off a bait or track in 3rd or 4th week of kill season there will be a line of guys waiting to buy them. If they can do that, I could care less how much grit they've got.

I don't disagree that there are dogs that can tie into a bear and not get a scratch, but that streak will end on the wrong bear at some point. Lots of room on the list of dogs that I considered good bear dogs that never needed stitches or staples. The vast majority of dogs won't make it past the first time they get tuned, if they do they've got a chance to make a dog.

Sorry Dude, but I'll need a little more convincing to drink the kool aid. Besides I'm perfectly happy on this side of the fence. It's a lot more fun to be excited when good stuff happens and not pissed when it doesn't work like it should. I'm all about low expectations.

[ferjr]

in the past 20 or so years of hunting bears over a bait, i have not seen a elk, deer, or wolf come in on a bear bait. a occasional coyote, but it isnt like the bait is just crawling with various different animals. the majority of the scent on the bait is going to be from a bear, unless of course you do not know how to bait bears.JMO.

[Nolte]

i have not seen a elk, deer, or wolf come in on a bear bait. a occasional coyote, but it isnt like the bait is just crawling with various different animals.

ferjr,

Not sure what the magic formula is, but our baits are loaded with trash in WI. Wolves, coon, fisher, gray fox, red fox, badgers, yotes, pretty much anything wanting free meal. Many times you can't even see a bear track in the sand. I even caught a deer on one of the trail cams knocking off the bait cover, but it didn't eat.

I never even knew that I wasn't baiting right (no jokes either). Learn something new every day.

[bob baldwin jr]

I would have to agree with Nolte . No elk or Wolves " Not yet anyways " But have pictures of just about every other critter at our bait sites here in Maine.

[ferjr]

well i have always used rotting meat, fish, and pasteries. i have yet to see a deer eat any of this. personally if i had to bait a bear in order to start a bear race, i would be looking at getting some new dogs. hell i can sit on a bait and get a bear without the dogs.

[Smiley]

Ferjr it is obvious you have not been around to long or have not hunted much different country . but I hunt both ways and rigging a bear is way easier especially in dense bear populations like you have . I have seen guys from dense bear populations come to where I hunt and look baffled because they could not get a race going . Sometimes a bait is needed to get a race going. But I for one hate baiting it takes to much time and money and before anyone says it no matter what you buy for a rig dog hell the best rig dog in the world has many times it will not get a rig.

[Catch]

Nolte, keep those blinders on big guy.

You see we are totally different type of hunters. You go out to see if your dogs can catch a bear. I go out and expect the dogs to catch a bear. I guess that is why you are looking for better dogs and I'm not. It is tougher to find nose than grit? Well I guess you could be correct, but why is it so many do a lot of chasing and not much catching?




ferjr,
I live in Idaho as well and would love to see your dogs hunt. Didn't you just post some video of a Blue Dog yards from a bear? It was hard to see but it looked as if the bear broke bay and the dog was by your side. Look me up this spring and come show me your tricks on rigging. Oh wait, you have to have roads to rig and since there are no roads where I hunt you can start a bear off a bait and I'm sure you will still guarantee it caught.

When you get time to show those dogs in the woods look me up!

Peace

[ferjr]

Nolte, keep those blinders on big guy.

You see we are totally different type of hunters. You go out to see if your dogs can catch a bear. I go out and expect the dogs to catch a bear. I guess that is why you are looking for better dogs and I'm not. It is tougher to find nose than grit? Well I guess you could be correct, but why is it so many do a lot of chasing and not much catching?




ferjr,
I live in Idaho as well and would love to see your dogs hunt. Didn't you just post some video of a Blue Dog yards from a bear? It was hard to see but it looked as if the bear broke bay and the dog was by your side. Look me up this spring and come show me your tricks on rigging. Oh wait, you have to have roads to rig and since there are no roads where I hunt you can start a bear off a bait and I'm sure you will still guarantee it caught.

When you get time to show those dogs in the woods look me up!

Peace

obviously you have me confused with someone else, i have never posted any videos of my dogs. you know it takes a hell of a hunter and dog to hunt off a bait, hell you have done half of the work for the dog when you bait a bear then take your dog to it, why stop there go ahead and carry your dog to the tree while you are at it. by the way i would love to show you how some real dogs do it, hit me up this spring and receive your lessons from the newby.

[Catch]

ferjr I do have you confused with someone else and I'm sorry to that individual.

Now who has wrote one thing about only hunting off baits? I do have a couple of rig dogs that some how find a a bear.

I will take you up on your offer this spring. I would like to see your dogs hunt. Bring a pair of real nice ones and we will go hunting. Newbie or not, good dogs are good dogs and I sure would like to see them.

[ferjr]

not trying to stir sh*t, but why did you guys turn in off a bait? doesnt he have a strike dog?

Na, strike dogs are to hard to make. I like doing it the easy way!

i guess i must have misunderstood what you were trying to say here.

[Catch]

It is called being toyed with!

See you this spring guy!

Peace out!