Breeding, How long before the apple falls far from the tree?

[Yard Dog]

Been reading about bloodlines on here and was just wondering what some thoughts were on how far back you should look at bloodlines and at what point in a pedigree are they diluted to the point of non-relivance....At what point, if any, has the desired blood been lost?

[nmplott]

Been reading about bloodlines on here and was just wondering what some thoughts were on how far back you should look at bloodlines and at what point in a pedigree are they diluted to the point of non-relivance....At what point, if any, has the desired blood been lost?

Are you talking about line breeding? If not you remember half of everything comes from one parent, so based off of that you can get an apple fall farm from the tree. When you linebreed you concentrate genes which is a double edged sword, you can concentrate good genes and you can concentrate bad genes. This is where recessive genes can become a real problem...
Also remember the nature vs nurture theory too. two lions dogs bred together does not mean the pups will catch lions with out training... it just means the training should be easier.

[Dan Edwards]

I think it can fall a long ass way from the tree in one breeding.

[Jeff Shaw NM]

I agree with Dan, but as long as your !HONEST! with your self, there's a real easy fix... cut your losses and look into a different cross.

[Yard Dog]

Was just looking to hear opinions of others, have my own, but always hear guys talking about dogs in their bloodlines from years back, IMO too far back. Regardless of the breed, papered or grade, you always seem to hear some big name dogs emphasized. Kind of interesting to know what is in a pedigree but think some put to much stock in blood that IMO is too far removed.

[Oren]

Pedigree is important but I try to use the theory-- If I breed and the pups come out like one or the other parent I would be happy. Not breeding to something just because of the papers. Parents better have Drive, nose, ability and sense to get the job done. Just my Opinion. Carnell

[kordog]

you just asked the hardest ? there is in dog breeding . a dna expert could probably show you on paper for your certain line with enough time money and breedings . just not feasible .there are so many variables . the current dogs your producing are what matters .if their missing something go look for it either by going backwards in to the dogs bloodline if they had it before . or outcross to get it again. cull hard.as a breeder you can steer a bloodline to crap or greatness in just one breeding sometimes.a high percentage of pups making it out of your stock is about all a guy can hope for after all the hard work. there is once frozen ,so a dog of the past can still be the future if you can afford it . lets not forget about cloning now too.the rules have changed my friends.

[bluesman]

From what I have heard you really want to look at the grandparents, then the parents because the bloodlines might be there after 20 generations, but the spacific trates of the dog you are trying to impliment in your litter are only present for 3 generations, which is why you line breed.

[fallriverwalker1]

if you arnt line breeding to begin with ,the dog you have may be a fluke ,he may not be the dominate gene to begin with . only in close breeding can you tell ,but you have to be ruthless and be able admit this is not what i want .once you have what you want ,stay with it .one outcross will change everything ,now you start over. www.fallriverwalker.com

[1whitedog]

agree with alot said, you do have to be "picky". AKC and maybe someothers put on clinics on gentics that are well attended by breeders in other breeds, i would like to go to one of them. long story short some traits are more easily passed vs. others. some line of dogs seem to genetically rule a cross more often than others. i believe that if you are around a line long enough you may find yourself thinking that that pup reminds you of his great, great grandfather. do believe in crossing out to a trait that you are not as strong in in previous litters. also i will pick pups to keep out of a litter that show strenght in an area the cross may have shown a weekness in before. until i get more educated (PHD or something)i would suggest knowing your hounds and lines the best you can and crossing lines that complement each other well. im sure they have text books on this subject that i could not even read. good luck. sometime the best intentions come up empty.