Good ole Technology?

[Rockcreek]

What technology has killed more lions?

Cell Phones or Telemetry systems?

[nmplott]

telemetry has made it easier for some to get into this sport. It works where cell phones can't. It tells you were your dogs are , which your dogs are suppose to tell you where the lions are meaning it tells you were lions are. The phones do not do this. They may tell another human where you are but your dog is not going to text you or call you and tell you,"come over here and bring your gun this one sure is a dandy."

[George Streepy]

I don't look at telemetry or gps as a tool to kill game. I think it feeds into the anti's train of thought. I use tracking equipment to stay with the dogs to help keep them safe and to get them home. I rarely use the equipment to find dogs under a tree. If the track is going good I can usually stay with the dogs in the areas I hunt. That is why the GPS has worked so well for me, I can usually stay pretty close to the dogs. If they are barking I can usually hear them. If I can hear them I wouldn't need the telemetry.

I would say cell phone or radio, I have used them to get another hunter over to my tree. I can not think of a time I used tracking equipment to find a caught cat and then kill it.

[LCK]

An old time fairly famous gov. hunter from Nevada always said his best strike dog was the telephone. Can anyone guess his name?

[Brady Davis]

I don't look at telemetry or gps as a tool to kill game. I think it feeds into the anti's train of thought. I use tracking equipment to stay with the dogs to help keep them safe and to get them home. .

I agree...the anti's use the same thiking. That said, I know I'm thankful for both. I don't feel like they really ever helped me tree or kill a lion. Maybe I have the wrong cell provider...I have Verizon....Does Sprint help lion hunting better?!

I think was has killed the most lions is piss poor laws and quotas from the Divisions of Wildlife

[nmplott]

Look at the title of the post, after reading the perspective of each this may need to go to another section.

[George Streepy]

What does that mean?

[pegleg]

telephones of all types have led to more dead cats then any hound tracking device.

[not color blind]

I have never hunted lion but I would say guns probably beat them both....

[Rockcreek]

An old time fairly famous gov. hunter from Nevada always said his best strike dog was the telephone. Can anyone guess his name?

LCK- Sounds like Wiley Carrol to me buddy.

I never meant for this post to be taken so wrongly... Why does every post on this board have to turn into a witch hunt?

There are lot's and lot's of ways that a cell phone can help kill a lion, other than a canned hunt.

Rancher's call and report calves or lambs or colts killed. Your buddy might call and tell you they saw a lion cross the road, or found a deer kill while they were up hiking next to so and so spring, etc... Good lord.

Telemetry has also help kill lions, lions that would have slipped off from some tired hounds had you not found them with the aid of telemetry.


I totally understand what George is saying, I try and stay close enough to my hounds to help and protect them... That's not always the case and sometimes, I do have to get the telemetry out to find the dogs.

I had this conversation with an old buddy of mine that has caught a ton of lions... It started out as "What do you think has killed more lions, Traps or Hounds"... I asked him this question and we both had our thoughts.

I bet old Wiley wouldn't have killed more with either, and neither would I.

Take care, sorry for the bad question.

[pegleg]

wasn't a bad question it was a honest question. and we need to be honest with ourselves and our hounds to improve. if your a guide hunter and you rely on calls to locate a majority of your tracks you should spend time thinking about it. the same goes for sport hunters. if you have a specific lion killing lots of stock you will get those phone calls and then you will act on them. the reality is it will help you be honest about what portion of the hunt has priority for you. and different incidences may have special priorities.
If a lion has killed a human or is ruining someone's lively hood it would be morally understandable to use every advantage to put a end to it. however if your looking for quality hounds you have to understand that it's the hard tracks and experience that help your hounds improve. and a steady diet of this type of hunting makes a successful hunt with out any out side help possible. is this type of fundamentalist hunting the only correct way to hunt? no but we should realize if our advantages are being misused to the detriment of the sport. If you start to see a serious decline in your game it's you who makes the decision to hold back some of those advantages. In most cases it is not a extermination effort but a sport that gives you a chance to enjoy a pastime that hopefully you find some value in. is telemetry a advantage over game not yet the hounds still need to be on the trail and pursuing the game. if you use it to constantly get ahead of the prey and cut it off and shoot while it is running you might consider if it is sporting. in super thick foliage with small trees and many roads it maybe the only feasible way to run hounds. if thats the case impose sex or size limits on yourself to offset it. the same tactic in a more open space where long range shots are possible it would be unethical using multiple advantages to kill game. the main thing is use common sense hunt with those who agree with your methods and leave some for your grand kids to run and experience the thrill of the hunt that many people will no longer be able to experience. that is my opinion I'm sure many won't agree and some may either way it's a individual's choice to impose what limits they feel would be fair to offset the advantage their intelligence gives them over their prey.

[wanchese]

I have never hunted lion but I would say guns probably beat them both....

last time i threw a cell phone at a lion, things didnt turn out to good


oh btw, i have never seen a lion but i did find a cell phone that a bear had chewed up, i guess somebody dropped it and he tried to make a call but didnt have any service so he got pissed off and tore up the phone.

[George Streepy]

Rockcreek,

I don't think it was a dumb question. Technology has made a huge difference in almost every aspect of our lives. My family had a favorite camping spot miles from any cell phone service, it was great. A week totally away. This summer we headed over there and wouldn't you know, full service. My laptop even had internet service. Now we have to find a different get away.

Years ago I read an article/flyer that HSUS was passing around. It boasted about the unsportsmanlike radio tracking equipment we were using to track and kill cougars and bear. It got under my skin and still hasn't left. When I read your question it festered a bit. I like to make the point that the primary objective for my tracking equipment is for the well being of my hounds. It wasn't a dumb question, and I read into incorrectly.

[Rockcreek]

George,

I agree, I have both gps and telemetry and use them both to bring my dogs home safely.

It just so happens that they sometimes, lead me to the dogs and they have game treed, when they have gotten out of pocket. I have no interest in killing any lions, bears or bobcats, I am not an outfitter and only run hounds for fun.

I have also had my cell phone get my hound(s) back to me... Sure love them calls.

I guess my question was "what technology has helped lion hunters kill more lions...?"

And I guess we better calculate illegal harvest, as I'm sure they have both contributed that way as well.

I won't ask ???? anymore... If you are as dumb as I am, you have to explain them 50 times.

[2ndhound]

Mason, I dont know you at all but gotta chime in, I dont think your question was dumb in anyway, I simpily disagree with the premise that more tech junk kills more game, when the day is done it still comes down to the person using it, I think its been going on since man has been on earth, I would bet Ol Grog was thinking what the heck when he went hunting with rocks all day, and then Grunts Loud shows up with a spear, Yep it can be abused, but if a guy really wants to be a outlaw they will find a way even without all the stuff we have, Like you I run for fun because I like it, I dont care much about the taking part unless there was good reason, But heck mason first I would have to actually have to have some dogs that get it done All my tech junk is used to bring them home safe, The garmin is rarely on cause I can hear them or am with them as close as I can be, Think my leg range is dropping off though, seems to be down to a few miles lately, Take care and dont stop asking questions, Ken