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[Marshall]

Last night November 30th I attended the ODFW metting in Bend Oregon about bird nesting. It was a very lop sided metting, they didnt have a whole lot of new proposals for hound hunters if any. Basically what it boils down to is bird hunters can hunt birds and hound hunters can road their dogs now and thats it. There is a meeting tonight in Klamath Falls I am not sure where or what time, you will have to look on ODFW webiste. Please attend this meeting and ask for eqaul rights, and what is being proposed for hound hunters. Please dont just sit and listen engage yourself, we need to have our voices heard, that is the only way we will gain anything. There are some more meetings after this throughout the state I dont know when or where but find out on the ODFW site, and please try to attend if you can. We need to have equal rights. Prepare yourself to be met with heavy resistance, as they dont want to hear from hound hunters. They also will be taking comments up to january 12th on the proposed rules. Anything after that date will not be looked at for the new proposals. Thanks! Sincerely, Marshall Looney

[mike martell]

marshall. good observations....
you are dead on the money. all one has to do is attend a meeting and you will see the bias and contempt for hound hunters. i thought steven george was very rude to you and brandon reishus is nothing more than a puppet on a string....where the hell did they find these guys? he is a mushroom... fed bullshit and kept in the dark for a good reason... jason is assembling a group of folks in central oregon to go after those two . one is high ranking with the oha and the other is a state representative representing that district. jason is HOT!. he for the record doesn't even own hounds but attended this same meeting. he called last night and i quote...what a bunch of a..holes.... i'm not pushing this from my end....however... i'm encouraging this meeting and will drive back over to central oregon to attend.

odfw assembles an advisory panel for recommendations and over looks the hound hunters to sit on that same board i'm going to begin the legal process against odfw for discrimination...they better select at least one person other than the self proclaimed illegal renegades as allowed / condoned by odfw and osp...that being the bird dog trainers / hunters to advise the commission on what it is the children want for christmas....odfw already has a plan for hound hunters adopted before it even conducted its first meeting. we will be right back in the same boat for april- july. restricted to a gravel road while those bird hunters, brandon reishus and ronald anglin etc...etc..( they are odfw heads and have a dog in the hunt folks! ) are allowed unlimited access to the woods with there live training game birds.. odfw can tell it however it wants to...all i know is they don't let the truth hurt the story none....i spoke to the south deschutes county houndsmen and they all agree with your analogy marshall.

another link for sending your comments. rep.sherriesprenger@state.or.us she will be very instrumental in setting up the recommendations from the commission. she is from my home district 17. i keep her very informed and she is seeing with her own eyes what odfw has been pulling...she also is behind the pilot program proposal. i also recieved an e-mail from the lars larson show yesterday....we will do an aired broadcast to assist in our cause...lars is a pitbull! my simple goal is to smoke all the rats out of the hole!!!

mike

[Buddyw]

Marshall,

I Didn't gather that at the meeting i attended.. I thought this was a good step in the right direction..

They left us alone and didn't put any regulations in about hounds in the bird dog law, which is the way it should be. This law will get rid of the Bird nesting Law that only hound guys were getting tickets for. No more bird nesting law is a Good thing!

With this rule, all you need to do is just follow the Law, like don't hunt out of season and your good to have your dogs out all year long without fear of getting a bird nesting ticket. Do you really want them to spell everything and clarify everything you can or can't do with your hounds??

If you want a Hunting season this isn't the meeting that they can do that.. you need to go to the FurBearer regulation meeting when they are setting the seasons and ask for different seasons, every time we ask for year more pursuit and longer seasons.

But as this rule is written, you can train year around.. You can't pursuit, you can't hunt.. but you can train period. Yes I would like to hunt Year around just like the rest of this board, but that's not going to happen at this meeting, they don't have any authority to do something like that, they have meetings to set seasons and regulations for hunting every 3 years or so...

This is a good thing in my opinon.

buddy

[mike martell]

anglin spelled it out in the first meeting for me buddy....roading a dog on a gravel road...that is it... you get caught off a gravel road and you get a ticket. it was mentioned by another hound hunter from lapine and his comment was what about hunting coyotes? the answer....as long as there is no regulation season you are fine....with that we are all going to have to lie to the cops about what we are chasing.....or switch over to coyotes...i'm not into coyotes and just want equal treatment as the bird dog hunters they train we train no explination to the fish cops what my dogs are doing at what ever distance they are from my truck on a gravel road. who needs clarity..... AS IT STANDS WITH ODFW PROPOSAL....YOU GET A TICKET. BIRD HUNTERS GET A FREE PASS.
anglin didn't attend this particular meeting and both brandon and steven are clueless....maybe they are there to please the bird folks? i can't seem to get a straight answer....but the one i got scares the hell out of me it was straight from the guy who will make the presentation to the oregon state legislature...anglin himself...mike

[Buddyw]

What is the ticket for? It won't be for bird nesting? What are you worried about.

Are you asking for them to Drop the proposal entirely then?? or just put in this proposal that we can Train our dogs by pursuing bobcats year around?

Spell out your proposal? Not in a Long paragraph, but in terms they can use in the law.. something that the commission can vote on. I just don't understand what exactly you guys are wanting, and if it's what I think you want how you think there is even a chance of getting it? Sure I too would like to hunt all year, with out paying 376 dollars out of state fee's.. but it's not going to happen for me..

I can't go buy a Training bobcat at the feed store.. Wish I could but I can't. Technically they can't train with Wild birds either, they have to be raised.

I'm not going to loose too much sleep over this one, the bird doggers really hated it and were giving plenty of Mouth, I guess if We give allot of mouth maybe they will just leave it as it was.. and I think.. Not sure but we get the short end of the stick on the outcome.

I could be wrong, but if this gets killed and the bird nesting law is not dropped because they didn't allow you to hunt or pursuit year around which that's what it sounds like your asking for.. all or nothing,

No more bitching about the Bird nesting law if you get nothing.. That's kinda the price when your playing All In.. Win big or go home.

Anyways. I don't get to worked up about this stuff. I've got plenty of other crap on my plate.
and I'm heading out to chase some long tails...

Have at the discussion.

--Buddy

[mike martell]

BIRD NESTING GONE- HARASSING WILDLIFE IN A CLOSE SEASON IN. COON FUR BEARER, SET SEASON, BOBCAT FUR BEARER SET SEASON, BEAR CLOSED....LION POSSIBLY ON THE WAY...NO OPEN SEASON... NO HUNT...NO DOGS OFF ROAD... the only way around a citation will be if they open the pilot program at the same time as the old bird nesting. april- july.i don't have the answer to this yet...maybe you do? one can assume the reason to drop bird nesting is in conjunction with the pilot program.odfw will not give the information about the pilot program... you have a valid lion tag you will be legal. this is the only reason for odfw dropping the bird nesting.from all i can gather from anglin anything else we will be ticketed...i hate the thought of making up lies about what my dogs are doing like say opposums and coyotes.....i'm open for suggestions?

the equal treatment comes in for us being left alone in the woods during those four months. you know as well as i do there is no way to release a bobcat or coon with a permit issued by odfw. they aren't going to issue a permit to no one and odfw knows this full good and well. they are also banking on blaming the oregon legislature after the fact when we wake up one morning and realize they put it to us one more time.

guys this is crunch time. don't really care if you like me or not... you are a member of ousda or not.... this is about our rights to hunt our hounds and if you own a hound and hunt in oregon...this is about you and me. i'm looking at trying to head off a ploy on behalf of odfw one more time....do we allow bird dog hunters to have full access to training and being any place they want to roam in oregon while we keep our dogs on a gravel road? what say we propose we are allowed to train our dogs on real live coon and bobcat year around? this is the only possible fair and equal treatment as the bird dog trainers or we will be stuck hunting with some one who has a lion permit so we can be out there for those four months... mike

[Marshall]

Buddy, I agree with you that his is a step in the right direction... But, what comes with it? You see it is the same rule with a different name to it. If your dogs leave the road then they will be harrassing wildlife and you will get a ticket for that. so you are damned if you do and damned if you dont. If these bird dog guys get 3 birds per day per dog then i want 3 cat "Races" per day per dog plain and simple. Why are you so eager to sit back and just take whatever they hand out? What have you or whoever else that is involved in OUSDA done for oregon houndsmen...... Nothing! I will not sit back and refuse to read between the lines of all the bull, Im not blind and i will not bow out! You see i am not willing to look a state trooper in they eye and LIE! Why should we? Why not fight for equal rights? If they can train then we can train. They have a love and a passion for bird dogs and my passion is the the hounds and because one mans dog points and retreives insted of trail, tree, and or bay does not give him more rights to train then i have does it? Im not looking for any specific thing, all i am asking is that we get EQUAL RIGHTS. This state prides itself for not discriminating so why do it now? All OUSDA has done is sit back and take whatever you can get and when push comes to shove you bow out. Call me whatever you want but, ill be damned if its a chicken shit spineless coward. If you have a better idea besides just taking what they give us (like h.b 2971..... thats worked out well....) with all of thier provisons (that we have no say in) then i will be all ears. So far i have heard nothing. I sat in that meeting and listened to the bird doggers admitantly tell steven george and brandon riscious that they have been training dogs "illegally" (Killing birds, using led, turning captive birds loose wherever) sense 1978, And the answer to that was "this is why we are changing this law is so you will be legal now"......WHAT!!! If i a houndsmen would have said that, then state trooper pond would have hauled my ass to jail! All of that aside all i am asking for is equal rights. If the persuit dates are not state statute then change or lift them, because the first guy that gets caught running a coyote and it "trees" right by a road with a fish cop there, then that just reiterates the fact that we are all outlaws in thier eyes. That buddy is why we should not sit back and take it! Im sorry but I wont listen to the bs anymore and i dont care if you or whoever else likes me or not. I am in this for the right reasons and i have nothing personally to gain out of it. If you or anyone that reads this has an idea then feel free to say it. I dont know all the answers and i dont pretend to but i can call bullshit with the best of em!

Marshall

[mike martell]

here is my take on the whole topic....odfw needs us more than we need them. what would be wrong with a year long training or pursuit season...what would this hurt? odfw is broke, raising license and tag fees caused a bunch of folks to quit. they hired usda to kill cougars in several management units and you know how the federal government works. they will milk the almighty dollar for all it is worth. at the end of the day there will still be the bulk of the game units that hve a real problem with cougars.they have'nt been into most of these units that have some serious problems and left up to the state and federal government i'm banking on mother nature taking a greater toll over time due to starvation or disease than what these guys can accomplish.you know they will make it where you have to have your very own cougar tag to be in the woods and they will also limit the number allowed to be drawn.WE GAIN NOTHING. i hear the washington guys gripe about not being able to draw a tag....what good does this do any body other than a bird dog trainer?

the state does things out of force not kindness. my take is let it go either way...shut the whole damn works down.....like i told anglin...pull your head out of your ass before you get the whole damn thing....i will stop the cable snaring of black bears. i will stop usda from killing cougars over hounds and leaving them lay where they hit the ground.right now they are sucking wind trying not to have the general population discover what they have been pulling for some time,that being the killing of all those baby cub bear and all the lion kittens by the hundreds littering the forests all across the state.anglin knows the truth.i have all the documentation to back the claims and if all they can do is stick it to us one more time....to hell with them all...
you think the clubbing of the hatchery steelhead on the alsea river drew a stink...you ain't seen nothing. couple this with the wolf and guess what...odfw's anglin, reishus, taylor, george and the whole works will be in the unemployment line looking for a job. this problem will destroy odfw and 100% of oregons hunting.

here is my take...take all our chips and put them into the pot. call there bluff....go for broke.shove this as far up odfw ass as you can...let every bear peel every tree in the state of oregon and let every cougar kill all the remaining deer and elk standing and then allow the wolf to suck every ounce of life out of every living remaining creature in the state of oregon.... YOU WANT IT ALL ODFW....YOU GOT IT....this hardly qualifies as game management...the problem is...nobody is buying their shit any longer or at least not on my end....i'm just sick of these so called managers....less than three years we would be hunting bear on the timber lands and those guys would still hate our guts but you know what....they would need us more than we need them... i have laid this all out to odfw....end of story...

[Buddyw]

I can just feel my self getting sucked into something I really don't give a damn about anymore...Good thing tomorrow I will be away from this computer.. Anyways I was called by a couple Guys asking if I was going to go to the meeting, I chatted with everyone there afterwards and we thought this was a good thing for Hound guys..

I'm just Really confused. I called Mike Martell before I went to meeting... Actually was asking him about the meeting and what his thoughts were and was talking to him when I pulled into the Parking lot.. I guess I totally mis understood our conversation because I thought we were on the same page.. At least on the phone I assumed we agreed that this was a Good thing for hound guys..

But now trying to decipher through this I guess it's not good enough to support unless we have the right to chase bobcats year around?

I'm not against what you guys want... I think it would be awesome to win that.. But the reason I don't Plug my Whole Paycheck in the Lottery is because those Odd really suck, Some might call me a spineless coward for it, but I'm OK with that.

[mike martell]

guys.

reality is what i deal with...you start out with odfw blowing smoke about how they are going to do this for the hound hunter and that for the hound hunter. all of a sudden you get a slip from one of the odfw speakers and you know full good and well you are going to get bent over one more time...this plan could be a good thing....why won't anglin make a single mention of what he and odfw are willing to do for hound hunters?

anglin flat out said if you are in the woods and off the road you are illegal.... SO WHAT IS CHANGING? reminds me of hope and change of another clown in office....empty suit and empty promises. no substance to these people. kinda like kim jong il saying TRUST ME....

HERE IS MY FEAR....OSP. LIKE IT NOT DICTATES. THEY ARE THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION OVER SPORT HUNTING IN OREGON. THEY KNOW THEY NEED THE LOOP HOLE TO CONTROL ILLEGAL BEAR HUNTING WITH HOUNDS. (GOD KNOWS WE ALL GALL BLADDER TO AFFORD THIS SPORT) THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP THERE CHOKE HOLD AND NEVER WILL.

this accomplishes nothing. simply because nothing is going to change. instead of a bird nesting violation we BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT WILL BE CITED FOR HARASSING WILDLIFE IN A CLOSE SEASON WHILE THE BIRD GUYS CAN ROAM FREELY.bottom line you think they don't trust us....i have no compassion for any of these guys. they lie more than any hound hunter i have met..

earlier i made mention of the empty suit....this looks just like obamas health care bill....you have to pass it to know what is in it...when you open up our christmas gift from odfw we will discover we traded a head ache for a stomach ache. time for the big kahuna anglin to step up to the plate and quit waffling.right out of the box i told anglin this directly pertains to the cougar pilot progam and like it not will lead down another path to black bears.

please guys from all sides...lets don't turn this into another pissin match and name calling....lets hear what you have to say. maybe one of these guys has laid it out more clearly to you than they did in the bend meeting. if you would of attended this meeting you would know what we are talking about. odfw didn't want to hear from a single hound hunter. yes we did get to speak but it was forcefully....this is why we are in the position with odfw that we are. these guys have no use for hound hunters other than there select usda and paid guns...we got sold out with the passage of 2971 in 2007 what makes anyone think if they stuck us then they won't stick us one more time?

even the bird guys complained about not knowing the full extent of what odfw was proposing and suggested an advisory panel for suggestions to help implement this plan. if these guys are confused where does this leave us...if this is a partial plan we need the rest of the story... ODFW WILL REJECT THIS NOTION. WHY...THESE MEETINGS ARE TO PLEASE THE OREGON STATE LEGISLATURE. THE WORDING IS ADOPTED AND THE ONLY REASON FOR HAVING A MEETING IS TO COVER THE LIBERAL INTEREST ACROSS THE STATE. IN OTHER WORDS IT IS ETCHED IN STONE IS WHY THEY TELL ME ODFW WILL NOT GET WHAT THEY WANT IN SALEM? WHAT! ANGLIN SAID IN THE FIRST MEETING THEY HAVE LITTLE INPUT AT THIS POINT OVER ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES....SOUNDS LIKE THEY DID ALL OF THIS BACK IN MAY WHEN THEY WERE STRUGGLING WITH THE TWO CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR...THEY FEARED KITZHABER WOULD GET ELECTED AND VETO ANY PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE CHANGES BROUGHT TO HIS DESK. THAT FEAR BECOME A REALITY IN NOVEMBER.....C.Y.O.A....here it is bottom line...if this plan is in conjunction with the pilot program and it is....what say these guys begin to elaborate about the overall plan. not just trust me...trust is a two way street. i know the ousda give input into the proposals....what kind of feed back have you recieved into what they are doing in reality?

I DON'T HAVE THE ENERGY TO FIGHT AMONGST OURSELVES.....LETS HERE SOME COMMENTS. THEY WILL IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN...ALREADY HAVE...DOWN THE ROAD THIS BOARD WILL BE HUMMING WITH DID YOU RECIEVE A TICTET TOO? TRUST BUT VERIFY/ WHAT CAN YOU VERIFY? BUDDY....WE JUST ALL THOUGHT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.

i'm stuck on the bigger picture....we can't continue down the same path and expect odfw to survive without relief from all of our hound hunting efforts....they aren't stupid and the only reason they are willing to budge is they know they are screwed. they think they have a cougar problem...they have an epidemic in oregon in several areas with bears. i know this first hand...they want to stall out fine...turn game managment over to mother nature. like i said we step up to the plate and bail them out it will end up like taking a bottle of booze away from a drunk...they will repeat the same behavior.my vote ...shut it all down and go fishin....all of it and give the state a reason to go after the governor....make these timber managers have a reason to fight for our rights...give it three years and oregon will be just like washington state. weyerheauser in washington allows bear hunting with hounds oregon you will be cited for trespassing on there grounds. weyerheauser don't like hounds but they are willing to put up with them why?....they don't have a choice....choke them all out and we will be hunting bear and cougar across oregon sooner than you think...all it takes is balls!!! WE ARE IN THE DRIVERS SEAT...NOW GRAB THE WHEEL....MIKE

[muck]

I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW IT COULD BE HARRASSING WILDLIFE TICKET. YOU CAN GO OUT AND SCOUT FOR DEER AND ELK ETC ALL YEAR. AND HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SCARE THEM AND THEY RUN OFF. I FEEL LOOKING AT A COON OR BOBCAT IN A TREE AINT NO DIFFERENT YOUR JUST LOOKING AT THEM. RIGHT. THEY HAVE SO MANY WAYS TO MAKE MORE MONEY WILL ALOWING HUNTING OR TRAINING YEAR ROUND AND OPENING UP COUGAR SEASON TO HOUNDS. BUT INSTEAD THE WOULD WRATHER HAVE OSP TICKET TICKET TICKET. I HAVE NEVER MET A PLEASENT COP. IT JUST DON'T HAPPEN WITH GAME WARDENS. THE MINUTE THEY OPEN THERE MOUTH THEY TREAT YOU LIKE A CRIMINAL AND THEY ACT LIKE YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. HOUNDS SHOULD HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS AS MUCH AS BIRD DOGS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I THINK THEY ARE SCARED OF THE ENVIROMENTALIST WITH THE WHOLE COUGAR SITUATION AND THEY JUST WONT ADMITT IT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THIS RULE CHANGE PROPOSAL BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE BIRD HUNTERS THEM SELF AND WANT ALL THE FREEDOM TO THEIR SELVES. WHAT DO HOUNDS HAVE TO DO WITH BIRD NESTING ANYWAYS

[mike martell]

muck...10-4....speaks for itself...guilty until proven innocent....

[houndhntr]

I would be happy with just roading my dogs during bird nesting season. I hate the months my dogs have to sit in the kennel because of the bird nesting law.In the past I have tried to take them out just to raod them and give them some excercise and twice was stopped by the state police both times the officers let me off with a warning.The last time the officer politely asked me to stop doing it because he didnt want to give me a ticket so I have not excercised my dogs in the woods since. It would be great to train year round but you cant always get everything all at once.I feel that if we had tried to just get cougar back with hounds in the past we would have had a chance to get the law through but instead both times we included bear in the bill and voters had allready passed to ban it.For those who want to train year round i will gladly help support a law to do it but i dont have anyplace to excercise my dogs during the closed season now so i am happy with small steps instead of giant leaps.I say take things one at a time instead of trying for everything at once and stand together to support it and we will get farther.It may take a while but slow prgress is better than no progress.
thnx for listenin to my 2 cents,Ken

[mike martell]

ken.
you make some valid points. think about one thing. we as a nation either stand up for our rights or we forefit our rights.... is the little we gain worth what we are giving up. how about this as an example....you are roading your hounds and all of a sudden your pup decides to bounce a deer and just at the same time johnny law comes around the corner. you get a ticket for harassing wildlife and just around the next corner there is your neighbor training his bird dogs any place in the oregon woods he so desires...

why do we continually have to pay the price for something that has happened decades ago. i bet you weren't even hunting hounds until after the ban? ( doesn't matter)why does osp and odfw think of you as a criminal? osp gets paid to do a job....make them get off there dead ass and out of the donut shop and go find those hunting illegally.....you know what here is a real true example....why is it every time i hunt my hounds after houns during the training season i'm busted in an aerial surveillance....the spotter plane is going great guns for those people who and breaking the law killing deer and elk illegally using spotlights always on the eve before archery deer, elk or rifle only... this happens on a regular basis....does it bother me? no...why ? the osp is out of the donut shop and in the field doing the job they get paid to do.

you will see those folks attending the meetings who own bird dogs are far more likely to bend the laws by taking more than 3 birds to train.. IN THE MEETINGS I HAVE ATTENDED THEY FLAT OUT STATED THEY WILL....you will see mrs. jones poodle sitting in the front seat and pops will have 3 birds for his pointer all in the name of that poodle. here is another example...why does osp place scruffy the mechanical deer in locations to have a hunter fall into the entrapment game? mechanical elk...i make the case that 10% of the hound hunters, bird hunters, elk hunters, deer hunters, fishermen....etc. are going to break the law. FACT....WHY THE HELL ARE WE THE ONLY HUNTER USER GROUP WITH A BULLSEYE ON OUR BACKS? VERY SIMPLY PUT...WE ARE THE MINORITY screw odfw over this one....MIKE

[mike martell]

folks...if you all want.... i will write a book on all the reasons this is bad for all oregon hound hunters....
when oregon was banned from bear and cougar in 1994 i sold out for a short time and decided to return and do what i had to do to continue to hunt...the newest option was ....a. either hunt out of state. b. move out of state. c. hunt out of the u.s....never in my wildest dream would i have thought plan c would become a way of life....
HERE IS WHAT YOU WILL BE GETTING FOR ACCEPTING THIS BOGUS RULE.....WITH A "HARASSING WILDLIFE TICKET" YOU NOW EARN THE RIGHT TO FALL UNDER THE LABEL OF "ANGLIN" HERE IS THE ANALOGY OF THE HEAD ODFW ADMINISTRATOR....YOU NOW HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD....AND I TOLD YOU SO...

YOU YOUNG GUYS HAPPEN TO GET MARRIED AND DECIDE YOU ARE TAKING YOUR YOUNG BRIDE TO CABO FOR A HONEYMOON....YOU ARE NOW A CRIMINAL IN THE U.S. AND YOU AIN'T GOING...YOUR U.S. PASSPORT IS NO LONGER VALID AND YOU ARE NOW LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE SEEING A FOREIGN COUNTRY.

WANT TO CALL B.S. ON THIS? I WILL GIVE YOU THE SITUATION TO THE NORTH GOING INTO CANADA. CUSTOMS WILL TURN YOU AROUND AT THE BORDER. OREGON TRUMPS ABOUT ANY PLACE I HAVE PUT A HOUND DOWN FOR COUGAR...YOU CAN TALK MONTANA...IT SUCKS COMPARED TO OREGON. CANADA HAS CATS....NOT LIKE OREGON.

WHAT IS ODFW DOING?....THEY ARE MAKING THIS A RICH MANS SPORT...I DON'T QUALIFY...I WANT TO GO NORTH I HOCK MY SOUL TO THE DEVIL...THIS AIN'T RIGHT WHEN IT IS AT THE PALM OF OUR HANDS.

odfw uses the criminal hisrory report to bank on shutting us all down....this is the reason why in 2007 anglin bypassed the bulk of the hound hunters with h.b.2971 in oregon and hired usda and the very select few" BUDDYS OF ODFW" WHO ARE ON THE ODFW PAYROLL HUNTING THERE HOUNDS DAILY AND GETTING A PAYCHECK FOR KILLING OUR BIG GAME MAMMALS...something as simple as bird nesting or the coming soon harassing wildlife citation and you are hung....done....you ain't getting no security clearance job either. I WANT OREGON WORSE THAN YOU DO BUT WHEN WE GET SOMETHING IT HAS TO BE RIGHT AND NOT SUBJECT US TO MORE OF THE SAME....THIS IS A BAD DEAL FOR ALL OF US...REJECT THIS OFFER AND GO FISHIN....