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Sure would be nice if we had a Minus vote or something like that a way to Cull out those that you really don't want in the office out of the race..

1st choice.. 2nd choice.. and a HELL NO vote!!

probably would be pretty complicated, and I don't understand the math implications behind it.. But I'm sure it couldn't be any worst than the system now!!

I know It would probably be eaier for me to find the person for my HELL NO vote than my 1st choice..

I don't like that it's Black and white... Feels like we vote against a person rather than for someone. adn the ones that might actually try something different always seams to be somewhere in the middle..

The Liberals could knock out the Republican they "HATE"
Republicans could Knock out the Democrate that They "HATE"

And we could try the middle ground.. Oh well just a pipe dream.. I just hate voting.. But I don't want to see Some people in office so I go down and waste my Vote tring to defeat a conidate!!

I sure would like to see a Solid Three way race.. to really mix things up.
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We (americans) need a strong third party.... thats why they say two is company three is a crowd... the current two parties really support each other in THIER best interest.. a third party could choose not go with the popular politically correct mainstream! A american revolution as per our fore fathers was found as necessary... I am not talking warefare but a mind set revolution to our ideologies!..
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Spanky wrote:McCain can not stop illegals in his own state there is no way he is worthy of the task on a national level. Guiliani :? Thompson :? Paul :?


No, this is my big problem with McCain. He is the only republican who backs Bush's immigration plan. He has no intention of sending them back to Mexico.

I agree with Ron Paul on just about everything except the Iraq situation. He wants immediate withdrawl and I disagree.

Thompson is out of the running now, but I liked his "tell it like it is" attitude.

Guliani is the only Republican candidate who has a chance to win NY, but I think he's too far behind. I do agree with most of his platform though, win the war in Iraq, make English the national language, and no universal health care.

I think you're right about Romney he seems to be stretching his lead a little. I think I saw where he was ahead in Florida, and that's big, but as far as a Democratic candidate I really don't know who's going to get it. Clinton and Obama are neck and neck. I don't think it matters which of those two get the nod this country won't vote either of them into office. At least I hope not.

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Tom Jr., below is the news story about the 5 year old illegal immigrant that your dogs were trashing on.

Trying to figure out the best candidate for president these days is really difficult. You have to figure out what their hidden agenda is and who is sending them money and will want a favor. Currently I believe that Ron Paul is probably the best choice. I do agree with a previous post about immediately pulling out of Iraq, but what we really need in this country is a back to basics president. One that starts at what the constitution allows and doesn't will help us get out of our rut. Not since around the time of Teddy Roosevelt have we had a president that takes charge and does what needs to be done instead of what others want him to do.

It seems to me that the vast majority of citizens actually like the current conditions in our country. The go to work, go home and watch american idol and try to keep up with the joneses. Why rock the boat, ya know what I mean. When will people wake up and realize that our country will be seriously screwed within the next 25 years if we do not do something to correct our path immediately. When that happens no president will be able to help.

Oh and as far as McCain goes, he is a lying puppet. Back in the 80's he was tied in with Charles Keating and the Keating 5 who's group swindled billions from retirees. He also has no plan to stop illegal immigration. Someone needs to send him a copy of the Webster's Dictionary so he can look up the definition of amnesty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

I better stop rambling, I'm starting to sound like Glenn Beck!!


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SIERRA VISTA, — Searchers combing rugged terrain in southern Arizona Friday found a 5-year-old migrant girl who had been missing for hours, authorities said.

The girl was apparently unharmed after a night in the chilly mountains of Southern Arizona.

“She appeared a little shaken up” but was safe, Cochise County Sheriff's spokeswoman Carol Capas said.




The girl was spotted by agents in a Border Patrol helicopter after having spent about 12 hours away from her father. At least part of the time she was with a human smuggler in a mountainous canyon area about 8 miles north of the Mexican border.

An intense search had been under way since early Friday when the girl was grabbed by the smuggler as U.S. Border Patrol agents closed in to take him into custody.

“They got a visual on her from the air. BORSTAR (Border Search, Trauam and Rescue) agents went in and have got her,” Capas said shortly before the helicopter with the little girl landed at a search command post.

The child had been among a group of illegal immigrants coming through Miller Canyon near Sierra Vista on Thursday night.
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I guess that story speaks volumes about the type of people we're getting from across the border...who would leave a five yr old behind? :x
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My wife and I gave Mike Huckabee $200 about 4 months ago. I don't agree with him on everything but he is WAY better than the alternative. He is for a flat tax. That way EVERYONE pays taxes, including the pimps, whores, drug dealers and even illegals. Also he supports the second ammendment and babies right to live. As far as the pardoning goes. That was done by a parole board, not by Huckabee. Mitt Romney is a flip flopping fake, McCain voted against the bush tax cuts and is for amnesty, Rudy is for abortion, gun control, and amnesty. Ron Paul hasn't got a prayer and Fred Thompson dropped out.
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No offense bear killer, but part of what you said is what I feel is wrong with the country. Voting for the most likely to be elected candidate is what has gotten us into this mess. We need to be voting for the best candidate. This isn't a popularity contest or about voting for the one most likely to win. We need to be voting for who we all feel is going to do the right job. This isn't college and were not voting for the "most funny" category in the yearbook. Just my $.02.
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If you want to dump your money behind someone who can't/won't be elected, get after it. I don't like to piss my money away. I don't disagree with you in principle but I'm not going to be stupid about it. I agree with Mike Huckabee on the most important things to me. I am not about to give my money to ANYONE who doesn't support the second ammendment. I am not going to give my money to ANYONE who doesn't support a babies right to life. I am not going to give my money to ANYONE who is going to risk the lives of americans by pulling out of Iraq prematurely( Ron Paul). I guess I should have stated the other problems I had with him.
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[quote="Bearkiller"]As far as the pardoning goes. That was done by a parole board, not by Huckabee. quote]
This is from the Arkansas Times News- "Huckabee advocated the release of a convicted rapist who was then paroled, and later found guilty of murdering a Missouri woman."
http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasb ... ecord.aspx

I'm pretty much pro choice, however, Ron Paul is a Dr. and has delivered loads of babies...he's VERY pro life.
I don't give any money to any candidate,

I still think anyone that would spend that much time and money (20 mil) to get a job that paid 400k is screwed up...i have to ask- WHATS THE REAL MOTIVE?
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So that brings me to another question.. and a road I probably shouldn't go down.. But what the hell. I don't really have a strong Opinion on this topic... So don't beat me up too bad if your a HardCore Pro-Lifer. :)

Bearkiller, You are obviously pro-life.. I'm sure allot of people on here are.. I really do respect that. I just don't understand how it comes from the Republican side.. Unless it's a purely religious stance....

I guess I just feel so strongly about people taking away my Rights to hunt and own guns. And I "HATE" the anti's who wish to take those choices away from me.... I find Odd that Republicans are pro-choice for guns, hunting.. those kind of rights.. yet when it's a matter of abortion they aren't the pro-choice side..

Honestly that issue has screwed me up more than once.., I never got it right as to which side had what stance..

Maybe it's just me.. and I'm screwed up.. Is it right or wrong.. I don't know. Would I choose abortion personally.. probably not.. I guess I have to ask the same question that I Hate those Animal rights people.. am I to push my beliefs on someone I don't know?

that's just my opinon..

Hopefully this doesn't get out of hand.. Like I said I probably shouldn't bring this up.. It's always bad talking politics.. I'm jsut curious as if I'm the only person who's screwed up on this issue..
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Being a washington native I'd expect you to be confused. :D

Coyotehunter, do you read everything thats printed in the news paper? Or see on TV? Huckabee oversaw the execution of 16 murderers. He's not soft on crime. If he did "advocate" his release I am sure he thought the guy was reformed. There was only one perfect man and he certainly wasn't a politician.

Buddy, I'm not sure where someone who is for human rights or personal rights gets confused on abortion. I don't know why its a republican or democrat issue. I don't believe that life begins at conception so I differ from alot of "pro lifers". That being said. If a baby has a heart beat then I believe the BABY'S rights should be protected. A person has a right to not have sex or to use birth control, or not. I don't think abortion is birth control. I know some people will say what about rape? I say to you that you know when you're raped. Get the morning after pill. Do what you need to do. There is a huge difference between animal rights and human rights. Babies should be afforded the same rights as anyone else.
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well up hear in canada we got to registar any gun we buy or have and as for handguns we can buy them with a special licence only and have to then get a permit to take them to the range or transport them and were not allowed to shoot them other then on a certified range and to transport them or store them they got to be in a locked case with a triggerlock on the hand gun inside the locked case its total bull shit up hear for gun laws
not to say i follow all them and i do own hand guns and rifles the rifles we have no problems with but with the hand guns one has to be real carefull when shooting or carring on on your own land not that i would do anything so called illigal up hear :wink:

anyhow i like your gun laws alot better than ours our heath care is beter tho i think every one up hear is intitled to the same heathcare no matter how much or little money one has we just got too maney people out east in the big cities who have to much influence on us out west
sorry to rant just pissed off at canadas gun laws
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I wouldn't vote for Hilary is nobody ran against her. Bill Clinton completely shut down all federal timber harvest in Wash. state with the Northwst Forest Plan and Bush coulden't ever get it back. Hillary will follow suit on Nat. Resourse extraction. They want the whole country to go GREEN. The democrats do a great job on reviving the economy but a terrible job on supporting farmers and loggers.
Obama threw out a real funny statement yesterday. He said if he gets elected president he will appoint Mitt Romney at Secretary of LOOKIN GOOD! Ha!
I think McCain is the most honest guy of the bunch and ya gotta give him credit for knowing all about military matters and where not to stick our nose into. He wasn't much of a supporter of going into Iraq but now that we are there he says we can't jump ship now because we've spent too much money and lives getting this far. Basically, we screwed it up and now we gotta fix it or we will lose all credibility with the entire world. Besides, we need that oil. Ha! gotta git. Bill
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Bearkiller wrote:Being a washington native I'd expect you to be confused. :D

Coyotehunter, do you read everything thats printed in the news paper? Or see on TV? Huckabee oversaw the execution of 16 murderers. He's not soft on crime. If he did "advocate" his release I am sure he thought the guy was reformed. There was only one perfect man and he certainly wasn't a politician.


No- I don't, actually i don't have a TV or recieve the newspaper. Hopefully being uninformed will add years to my life! :P

I agree with Buddy on the human rights, abortion issue.

I'll also add to the topic ofcapitol punishment to confuse things...the righteous crowd killing criminals? We'll call that section "retroactive birth control" :lol:
My biggest issue is the border...whoever will close the border and take a hard stand on illegal immigration will earn my vote.
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McCain or Huckabee?... any comments?
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