differ in triggs and other running dogs

[lil wasper]

what is the differ between triggs and other types of running hounds like julys and such

[fox hunter]

on the average triggs tend to be a little more tree minded and quite a bit tighter mouthed

[perk]

Im dont run biggame with my hounds only fox, but here is what the general view of the 3 main running dog lines are to most fox hunters/people who run in the fox pen (I dont run in the pen though). Not true for all individual hounds, but does tend to be a fair blanket statement about the lines.

Triggs- tend to be a few pounds larger in running shape, big mouths, tend to be a step slower than the other 2 strains. give plenty of mouth. the right breeding will lend itself to treeing.

Walkers- Tend to be a touch faster than most triggs, mouths of wide variety, most will only open on a trail warmer than what the trigg will. Has longer hours of running then the other 2 strains. give plenty of mouth the right breeding also lends itself to treeing.

Julys- Tend to be a step faster than the walkers. Short hours compared to the other 2. Most have high pitched ortenor mouths, tend to open on a track that is warmer than what the other 2 strains. some tend to be tightmouthed unless in the front of the pack. the right breeding lends itself to treeing.

I have hunted with all 3 strains, I prefer the walkers, my coldest nosed dog is a walker, even though i have a trigg in my pack, who does trail good, and by the way is far from my slowest dog. My fastest dogs have been walkers even when running with some julys, i just culled a july out of my pack back in october. If your looking for running dog stock stay away from the boys who run them in the fox pen as they only breed for speed, and not many are bred to have the nose/brains to make good outside dogs. Like I said those are just some basic generalizations about the 3 main strains of running dogs, not necessarily truths about each dog in that line.

Perk

[croatankid]

hey perk, thanks for the long explanation. i don't have any experience with high speed hounds that i can recall but you are generous in your information. i recall my grandfather hunted fox with walkers and i recall him buying a july. that was 50 yrs ago. i wonder now if he was thinking maybe he was going to blister some foxs behind.

[foxcat]

[livetohunt]

The Trigg strain was founded by Col. Haiden Trigg of Kentucky. His aim was to breed a hound with a good coarse voice; black, white and tan blanket-backed; with white points. He crossed Walkers, July, Birdsong and other strains to arrive at his ideal foxhound. After his death, the strain decreased in popularity, but in recent years, has made a strong comeback and is quite popular today. They have big voices and are close track runners.

[perk]

Foxcat-
Triggs and Running walkers are both classified as American Foxhounds, but they are different strains. In the American Foxhound breeding are also, July, Penn Marydel, Birdsong, Bi-water, Goodman, and Huspeth hounds. all are foxhound breed, but all definately arent Walkers.

[lil wasper]

I thout about crossing triggs in to my biggame dogs i run hogs and bear both and thout speed would help but didnt no if theyed have enough grit to get game to stop or climb

[perk]

Lil Wasper, there is an older man in Va who used to bear hunt with strictly a pack if triggs. Talking to him one day he told me he used to use tree stock dogs, got a few triggs and never wanted to hunt a tree stock dog agian, that they were inferior to the trigg breeding on bears. i cant say for sure Ive never been bear hunting but I have a half trigg off this mans stock that id say is gritty enough to take on about anything.

Perk

[Chad H]

Hey lil wasper, i got yer pm, i don't get on here much, give me a call sometime and we can talk.
Thanks

Chad H 208-866-1561

[BEAR HUNTER]

Lil Wasper I have found that there are enough people on here that are breeding the trigg crosses. Instead of trying to start from scratch get some blood from them. I have and have not been sorry. We tree lots of mean bears with triggs. They are top in good country. Where they fall short is desert type country.

[Clayman]

Here is some stupid questions from a newbie to wake up this ancient topic...

Perk said, that Triggs and Running walkers are classified as American Foxhounds, and also July, Penn Marydel, Birdsong, Bi-water, Goodman, and Huspeth hounds are this foxhound breed. So what is the difference between Running and Treeing walkers, is Treeing walker just another strain of foxhounds?

Here in Finland we have only Running walkers, Triggs and now some new July blood, but I have been wondering why nobody hasn't brought any Treeing walkers here, because many Finnish american foxhound owners would like to hunt also bear with their hounds. And if I have understood it right, you guys do use Treeing walkers on bear much more than Running walkers, Triggs etc. ?

[toby joe]

well my understanding is that they took the good fox hounds and crossed them with good blueticks and came up with treein walker the bluetick is what gave the the want to tree they got a faster dog with the walker and a colder nose with thd bluetick and the desire to locate and tree now if im wrong somebody please correct me cause i like to be knowlegded on the facts