question about nance dogs

[csl]

I have only been hunting for around 6 years and i have owned 2 nance dogs 1 i just picked up its out of sampson and jeff allens bell dog seems like a nice dog but what i have noticed is that these nance dogs are very high strung and i am wondering why that is cause i own a few dogs out of jeffs old lines and they are way more mellow and seem to be more track minded than these nance dogs. So I guess what im trying to ask is why are the old lion dogs slower and more mellow than the nance dogs?

[Lookin' Up!]

I have a jeff allen pup that got back in october the dog is about 7 month's old just now is stating and is also slow to learn, I think this old strain of dog just start slow. Most of the walkers that I have out of my dogs start at about 4 months, and are also high energy dogs, How old is your dog

[csl]

my pup is a 8 to 9 month old nance bred pup and she is so high strung she wont calm down long enough to even let me catch her i just havent had good luck with the nance bred dogs. I've heard alot of good things about the nance bred dogs im just starting to think they are not for me i think i would almost rather have the old slow track straddeling dogs. I have a pup that is 9 months old out of the old strain that started at 3 months old and is tearing it up she is going to make a way nice dog.

[sourdough]

If someone said the Nance bred dogs are for everyone. I would have to say they are not.
How is that Nance dog bred? How often are you able to get out? If not enough to jerk the slack out of that dog I would stick to a more calm laid back style of trail hound.

sourdough

[aardemar]

I have a couple of the old true nance bred dogs, they were a year old in september and are doing it all from start to tree on bobs. I dont like what a lot of people are calling nance dogs anymore, I think they look to have a lot of sackett blood in them and I really dont like having any competition style dogs in my bloodlines. I would look at your dog and the build, they should be smaller dogs and stocky built. the newer dogs are bigger and leggy, with more of a blanket back. I may be off base here but i really dont like a lot of the newer nance dogs. I wouldnt trade the older nance dogs for the new ones ever. My dogs came out of British Columbia, dont know the guys name. they go back to bob marosoks topper, thats all I know
Rick

[csl]

all i know is the dad is sampson and the mother is bell a dog jeff allen owns both are registered i just dont have the papers on mine cause papers dont mean anything to me. as for how much i hunt not as much as i would like to about 3 times a week if im lucky

[fallriverwalker1]

here's what you should do go ahead and buy lesters book and read it . understand what he is saying . sbout his line of dog's and what he was tryting t o do , you'll see there are tow distinct lines , comp dogs and big game lines , read the book you'll understand more about what you are seeing , ps i have nothing to gain by telling you to by the book ,just more info for you guys it is very intresting book www.fallriverwalker.com

[high desert hounds]

I have hunted a bunch of the nance dogs and even the cross you are talking about. I think your dog is out of ace and bell. ace is a son of sampson. i havn't seen the hyper active side you are refering to. Most of these pups have been early starting fast track drifters. Jeff old strain of flopp eared trail dogs are slower more track minded dogs. With alot more nose. They are slower starting dogs and are real easy handling dogs. If you were to call jeff and ask him why he hunts the nance dogs he wouldn't tell you it because of their cold trailing ability. It's the speed nose combo.

[csl]

i have talked to jeff about them i used to hunt with jeff a little and they are fast dogs but in my opinion almost to fast and i think maybe thats why jeff still hunts some of the old strain is so they can pick up that old bad track after the nance dogs over run it just my two cents though like i said i havent been hunting as long as alot of other people im just trying to figure it all out

[csl]

high desert hounds is your name tom?

[high desert hounds]

I'm James Moore, your probley thinking of tom doman out of mollala oregon. I think you hit the nail on the head. Slow and steady mixed with a little speed. Takes alot of diffrent dogs to make a good pack in tough scenting conditions.

[BEAR HUNTER]

I have one of Hoff's pups which are Nance bred. He is only 9 months old. Sire is "PR Galentine's SW Little Jasper" which I believe goes back to Sampson. Mom is "PR Hoff's Hardwood Kric" which is Hardwood Bozo lines. He is not overly hyper, but he gets hunted one to two times a week and is out in the turn out pen the rest of the time. He runs a track real well, seems to have a decent nose on him, and doesnt hang up on a track. He pushes it forward. He also seems to have brains. The two things I dont like about him are one he has too much mouth, and he uses it all the time. The second is he is hard headed and takes more to make him listen than my trigg crosses. That probably comes from the Hardwood Bozo side but I am just guessing on that. All in all though he is the earliest starting hound I have ever had and is going to make a nice dog. If he is an example of the Nance dogs I would recommend them.

[pegleg]

I believe speed is needed on track in some conditions and types of game. the old style hounds are hard to shake from a track and I really appreciate this trait. the real comparison is hunting conditions. a fast dog with a decent nose will sure look great in good conditions and make the track minded hound look slow. put those same hounds down in bad conditions and you'll see a reverse that faster hound will get stuck playing follow the leader and may not even catch enough scent to get on track behind the cold nosed hound. some tracks just can't be trailed at a run. so look at what type of conditions and game you hunt then at your preferrences. once you do this youshould be able to build a pack of hounds YOU enjoy. I love running bobcats and to do very well at all here you need a balanced hound. with out the nose he will get discouraged not enough speed and you'll be spending alot of time following hounds only to have to pry cats out of the rocks or loose them in the bluffs completely. be real honest with yourself about your conditions and what you like. another thing to rember is if your after a specific cat or trophy cats only you will need the insurance of that colder nose

[twist]

The true old Nance dogs were not hyper over running track type dogs dont know where you have heard that but not true. They do have a tendancy to be a little high strung but with a little bit of training they were and are still very trainable to do just about any thing you ask of them, they were breed to catch bobcats and produced into bigame hounds. Some of the newer so called Nance breed dogs are just truely that they are not true Nance its hard to find that anymore. They were breed to be fast track dogs that would drift a track and not hang up as this is the type of dog that consistantly catch bobcats. They were not breed to be slow track stradeling dogs. If you take the time to put a good handle on them before you start hunting them it will sure help. Andy

[festus]

I agree with you Andy, the true old Nance blood is very hard to find. The Nance blood has become so popular that alot of the dogs being called Nance bred are Nance bred in name only.
The true old Nance blooded dogs can, and could, work a bad track right along with the best of them. As far as Jeff's old line of dogs go they are some of the very best around no question about it. However, if you trace back thru Jeff's Ace and Hank bred grade dogs you will run into a dog named Joker. Old Joker was a son of Nances little Topper, and a Wiley Carroll bred female, and he could hold his own with any dog around on a old cold bad track.
Warner Glenn's hounds are also a product of the old Nance blood as well. That old Nance blood produced cold nosed trail dogs. Problem is the true old Nance blood is hard to find, and when you find it, your usually dealing with a dog that has some age on him for the most part.