silver walkers??

runninwitdahounds · Post by **runninwitdahounds** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:22 am

does any one know if silver walkers can be registered and/or hunted/shown in ukc?

bigmikeslures · Post by **bigmikeslures** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:42 am

I don't know. But when I got Hank he had a silver head.
But now he is definately within the description of color as a tri colored dog. But his shade is a cool gray-ish blue brown....but still brown.
The silever is now somewhat darker then when they were born but not nearly brown. These are PR Hounds.
All from great stock.
Beagles have been shown with gray in them.
I have seen UKC dogs that didn't even look like walkers. Curly fur and off color and they have won compititions.
But still good question.

runninwitdahounds · Post by **runninwitdahounds** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:47 am

thanks

Melanie Hampton · Post by **Melanie Hampton** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:13 am

runninwitdahounds wrote:does any one know if silver walkers can be registered and/or hunted/shown in ukc?

Technically they should not be registered with the UKC since the silver/grey is not a correct color standard. If they were to be registered they cannot be shown, but they can hunt stilll.

Doogie · Post by **Doogie** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:02 am

come on Melanie you wouldent deny this cute lil guy wouldent you

oh wait hes only half walker to begin with, guess still a no then

btw hes not that small any more now hes a 70 pound meat head

Redwood Coonhounds · Post by **Redwood Coonhounds** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:35 pm

They do have a spot on the papers for TRI-COLOR. Those pups are just that. Three colors. White, Tan, and Diluted black.

We seen this in the Am Staffs. It says clearly in the AST standard the NOSE MUST BE BLACK. But Blue dogs win Nationals, Eukanuba, and Westminister. I bet you they couldn't say much about it even if you did show one. Silver is just washed out black, a variation, just like the variety of tan trim they come in. Smutted pigment. Very recesive, and deffinately not something you want to continue to breed on. As if you breed 2 dogs that color you will never get anything but that color.

Melanie, is Jack not UKC Reg? He is not black.

bigmikeslures · Post by **bigmikeslures** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:39 pm

Hi Cassandra, Great comment, I'm sure you are right.
I love your site too.
Sent a PM
Big Mike

Melanie Hampton · Post by **Melanie Hampton** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:51 pm

Redwood Coonhounds wrote:
Melanie, is Jack not UKC Reg? He is not black.

Yep he is, because I look at him as tri colored also.. I did not write my above statement correctly.. That is what happens when you are up too late

He looks like his black has been run through the washing machine a few too many times..

From what I have heard (and argued with) and been told from those more in the UKC world then I, is that they should not be registered... or not supposed to.. I have never asked the UKC where they stand on it.. They are tri-colored.. To me anyways.. That is where I stand on it.. IMO it is stupid to not let papers on a dog because of the unusual color.. Which I happen to like.

Doogie.. He working out for you then?

bigmikeslures · Post by **bigmikeslures** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:16 pm

My pups noses did turn black already. I have seen that in many pups. Is that not somewhat normal like blue eyes turning brown or gold?
I never thought abot it.
My dogs with white faces almost always start with a pink nose that turns black.

Redwood Coonhounds · Post by **Redwood Coonhounds** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:44 pm

In our hound standards there is no standard for nose color. Most walkers are born with a pink nose and get there pigment as they get older. Some don't get it all. Butterfly nose.

You're Silver pups don't have black noses, they have blue noses. It's genetically impossible for a dog that color to have a black nose. The nose is faded as well. It may be super dark, but compared to one that it black, it isn't really black.

Just as Jack's nose isn't really black? It's more of a dark brown/chocolate.
But I don't think Jack is silver/gray/blue. He's more like a Chocolate/Rednose type. Also very different genetics. Dogs like that are void of all black pigment. I bet there is nothin on Jack that is TRUE black. Am I right? Not even the pupils of his eyes.

bigmikeslures · Post by **bigmikeslures** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:57 pm

I stand corrected

Redwood Coonhounds · Post by **Redwood Coonhounds** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:06 pm

Not being rude. But helping you understand it a little better.

My Mom has bred the AST's/Pit Bulls for years. Blue is not a new thing there. A lot of people were marketing it as "rare" and flooding puppies for rediculous amounts. Still do. But it's far from rare. We hated getting blues in our litter, cause it was so not rare. A true black dog would have been more rare! Once you get that color, it's hard to get away from. When breeding a dog that color you will usually see it in it's offspring and great, and so on, forever. It doesn't take two parents to pass it on. When breeding two that color you will see no other color but that color. They cannot throw a true black pup. Maybe darker or lighter variations of silver/blue, but never black.

Melanie's dog Jack, his color came from both parents carrying the gene. And both parents have to have it to see it again. He's a little more different. But still something you see from heavy inbreeding/linebreeding.

Melanie Hampton · Post by **Melanie Hampton** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:37 pm

No Jack's nose is not black.. It is more of the chocolate brown.. I have a picture somewhere of one of the other males out of that litter.. Same thing.. I have not seen the other two males out the the litter that were that same gray color.. But when they left they were looking just like Jack..

I will have to go look at his pupils.. I have never paid attention to them to tell you the truth.. And I know most people don't make it past those yellow eyes.. He sure looks good under a tree though

I will give the report after I get off work..

I was told my males were the diluted color because it came from both parents. The females would have been the ones to have it if it came from just one.. Don't know if that is true or not? Jack is inbred/linebred however you want to look at it..

I will be interested to see... The guy who owns the only "true" black/white/red male our of Jack's litter bred him to a female who would be a great-great-aunt to my pups.. Curious to see how much of that gene will come out..

Here is a couple pictures of my odd ball.. Jack on the left, his sire in the middle

Here is a close up of his face/nose..

And him on the end..

bigmikeslures · Post by **bigmikeslures** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:08 pm

Great looking dog.
love the gold eyes. I have a couple dogs with almost the same eyes.

Redwood Coonhounds · Post by **Redwood Coonhounds** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:30 pm

The blue/silver is just a dilute color, it can come from anywhere and doesn't need two parents. The rednose/chocolate is different, it takes two parents to pass it on. Males and females make no diference. Color is color.