Plotts on dry ground

[Orion Guide]

Here it is if the link didnt work

Benny G in New Mexico.
Sam Dierenger/Scott Sr. Brent Bunger
Steve Smith
Terrell Shelly/Riley Miller
Larry Hendrix
Charlie Gould/Dan V
Charlie Leeder
Donnie Fenn/Tyler Burkett
Jeff Allen (old stock)/Steve Biggerstaff
Van Johnson(Old Blue stock)
Chris Todd
Steve Galentine
Warner Glenn

[dzell]

Im sorry I was meaning plotts

[Orion Guide]

I have no idea on those, maybe check with ZeluvaRIP69er , she knows alot of the plott guys!!

[Smiley]

My opinion is it is harder to find a dog that will work those tracks that have to be ran in the southwest from the plott breed . Just how the breed when you talk as a whole has been bred . but there are lines that have been selected for those traits that will do well.
Kind of like finding a gritty walker ,one that will hit a bear and even if it gets hit back will stick. your going to be looking long and far for a dog like that in the walker dogs just like finding plotts that consistently will run those dry ground lions .

No matter what breed and line you are running or prefer it is hard to find consistent top level dogs in bunches .

[larry]

Bill Kenross has a dog that was bred by Gene Walker(pocahontas plotts) out of his deceased Cody II dog. Corey Kenross hunts the dog with Jeff Allen and claims that the plott is just as good in the nose dept. Bluff creek plotts also are known for their nose (Kevin Hall's Toto) I'd look at those two lines.

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

That Curley dog that Bill got from us, She also had a cold nose on her, when we had those dogs dad always said Bill and Curley was the coldest nosed, I haven't hunted around many of the pups in colder situations so IDK.

Curley is out of Idaho Rusty and Bubbas Idaho Little Bit, so theres a couple other lines that I feel have some colder noses on them as far as Plotts go

[larry]

Yer getting led back to Bluff Creek, Rusty is a son of Toto. You'll find a lot of the Bluff Creek influence in the "Idaho" plotts, Kevin Hall is the guy to talk to about most of em. Its a safe bet to say the nose comes from the bluff creek in them.

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Aww ok, Thanks Larry. Learn somethin new everyday.

[1hogwild]

Outlaw13 said it right.

[Mike Leonard]

I have seen and owned some plotts that did very well on dry ground. The best I ever saw was a direct son of Dale Bradenburger's Thundering Echo and a Pioneer bitch.

I got a full Cascade bred male pup from an old Spanish fellow that raised a lot of great bear dogs in his day. I was loaded up with dogs at the time and I sold him to an outfitter near Globe, Arizona. I called this pup Fireball because he was really wound up and always on the hunt. Well after I sold him I sort of lost track of him and hadn't heard from this Outfitter in about 20 years and he called me up out of the blue one day. He said you remember that Cascade Plott male Fireball I bought from you? I said oh sure he was out of Pete Dominquez, and Bobby Archuleta's cascade dogs. He said well that dogs turned out to be the best dry ground lion hound that we have ever seen. He caught them year round in the worst conditions, and although he was really bred to be a bear machine he turned out to be a real lion dog. They still had some of his blood in their packs and said they crossed him on all sorts of females and he was also a real producer. Pete is long gone now but Lloyd Lujan of Lindrtih, New Mexico carried on that line of dogs and he is still hunting them today.


I was a member of the NPHA for many years and one thing I will say. Never count a plott out because they are truely the only registered breed of tree hounds that was soley developed for big game hunting.


I caught my first lion with a plott so I have alwasy had a soft spot for them.

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Mike, Llyod has some real nice Plotts!! I've hunted with him a few times that was before dad and I went straight Plott, we always talked about getting one from him and just never really made room lol.

I need to give him a call and see what he has and try and get one, I haven't heard from him in a really long time.

[Mike Leonard]

Nicki,

The last number I have for him is 505-793-4436

He had a few walkers last time I talked to him as well but i think he was just training them for somebody.

Mike

a lot of those dogs go back to Cascade Easy Money who was a fantastic rig and bear dog. I beleive that dog died as a result of breathing all that volcanic dist and smoke when Mt. St. helen's erupted some years back.

I had a dog called Bearpath Hawk out of Bearpath Gunner. Bobby Archuleta that owned Easy Money alwasy wanted to buy him becasue he was a dead ringer for Olver Smith's Cascade Boulder. Hawk was stolen on a bearhunt near San Ysidro, New mexico many years ago. He was truely an all around dog, bears, lions, bobs, coons and he would even fetch ducks out of the water i shot. I was truely heart broken when he was stolen and I was a pretty angry guy for a long time. Funny how silly a person can get over a little brindle dog. LOL!

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Thanks Mike, when I went to Espanola to get my two pups from ShadowHunter he asked about a bunch of people I might know, one of which was Llyod, earlier that day on our drive I was tellin AZ_Hunter about a bunch of the people in NM I knew and would like to get back in contact with, one of which was Lloyd lol.

Funny how small of a world it really is as far as comman people we all may know.

[reed]

Lester Mundy is another person that I would get in touch with if I was looking for dry ground Plotts. His dogs are not registered, but he does hunt them on dry ground.

[oswald]

Reed, do you know how lester's dogs are bred as far as what lines he used in his breeding.