what dogs do you cut in after the lead dog

[lifreediver]

after the lead dog straightins the track out most guys cut there second best dog in then the third then the pup and the start dog is out pretty far by now and the track stepped all over it seems backwards to me seems like the pup gets used to chasin tails not game and make a pack dog some day i think the pups should be let go after the lead dog what do you guys do

[cheat river kennels]

that is the point. to have the pups run the pack. most don't even know how to use their nose yet. so you cut them in the back to chase the pack. atleast imo

[StrawberryMt]

I always get in trouble cause after i get the track started,I dump the box.When everyones bitchin around I just tell them they arent learning nothing in the box getting told to shut up and listen.Works for me.

[blackpaws]

my question is what do you consider a pup? what age are we talking here? i consider a pup under a year old or one that is right at a year old in it's first season. i might be more backwards than some but i turn the pup out first. let the pup try to figure things out by itself. that is how they learn. if the pup can't, then i will put a more proven dog in to show it how to get things rolling a little better. i might stick 1 more dog in off the bait but i like to let them work it out and get it rolling before i put too many in.

this year i found probably one of the coldest nosed dogs i have ever owned by just throwing her out by herself. she took right off the very first time at just over a year old. if i would have started her by putting her in behind the other dogs i probably would not have discovered her true abilities. i wouldn't consider her a finished dog by any means but she is so track minded and cold nosed that i just put another dog with her in case they get it going. you can't find out the true abilities of all your dogs by letting them follow on a cold trail. jumped bear is a little different.

[Nolte]

Well it all depends. If it's a jumped hot bear, I'll line them out one by one and make sure to save a couple in the box. That way when the original dogs get tired, I can feed a couple more in.

Every situation is different. A wild eyed green pup with no clue is probably not getting put out off the bat. I'll most likely try to get them in on a hot race and hopefully they'll make a tree where they can figure out the deal. Once that happens, I'll start letting them go right after the lead dog or even give them a shot on their own if they are showing promise. I also like to do as blackpaws says and let a pup out first. See if it takes off or at least let it ram out a bit, then put a trail dog in so it tags along with them. This is all if I'm hunting in clean company.

If it's dog bomb goat rodeo, I'm holding yound dogs and pups back. It's just way too easy for them to play grab ass and not be where they should be. I will put a dog whose pretty much figured it out and see if they can sort through the mess and be where they should be. Once all that mess happens, you'll lose a bunch of those dogs and you can put a young dog in clean setup with dogs that will at least pull them to the right spot.

Dogs don't learn a thing in the box, but they also learn a lot they shouldn't if all they ever get put out with is bad company.

[Bearkiller]

I always get in trouble cause after i get the track started,I dump the box.When everyones bitchin around I just tell them they arent learning nothing in the box getting told to shut up and listen.Works for me.

Me, too.

[call-me-ish]

I am a firm believer that youngsters have to have some up-front exposure to eliminate the potential of just being a ME-TOO dog. But, bad company corrupts good standards.

[blackandtan79]

i like to turn my pups behind my lead dog and then put the second an third behind them to kinda carry the pups on in case they fall behind the lead dog.

[markwood]

training season is for a reason we are trying to get our number 2 to start some tracks our pup is always the first one off the truck figure he needs the most scent to get going i dont like the idea of one lead dog i want a pack of track starters dont know if it will work that way but 2 of 4 will start and other 2 hope fully will before long

[Redwood Coonhounds]

My lead dog has as long as it takes me to walk from the front of the truck to the back of the truck and drop the tailgate. I don't believe in having just one dog to depend on. Every dog better be able to catch its own game, truck to tree, to have a place in my pack. Some are better at one thing than others, but balance is key to being successful in the long run to me.

I also like to keep the number of dogs to 3-5 dogs out at a time. They don't learn sitting in the box, and they don't learn much running 10 other dogs' a$$holes.

[lepcur]

It depends on the strike, If it's a good 1 I dump em and if it's a cold strike I'll usually put 3 down and the other 3 as it gets better.

[BuckNAze]

Maybe I just see things differently on this a little. Everyone has a lead dog or a dog they typically put down more than others, Im just as guilty as anyone else, but I feel to see if you actually have a dog that will do it on its own you better turn it down on its own. I have a pup right now, little female plott, will jump out of the box and wiggle her ass out of there after a strike and go looking for the track. Sometimes she will chase ass and want to follow whatever dog I turn down at the time but recently she went towards my lead dog and took off to the right up the hill when my lead dog when down into the creek. Well she was just barking every breath going up the hill and away from me and I kept watching to see what my lead dog would do, well after a few seconds of checking down in the creek he went blowing up the hill and I dropped the box. Good example of a pup learning to do it on its own I guess after chasing ass for awhile and just getting dropped with the older dogs. I also feel that to see if a dog is actually able to start a track on its own you shouldnt have to drop more than one dog. I like to switch dogs who I have start a track to keep them from wanting to be ass chasers (even though thats all they are....). Ive seen dogs that people think can start their own track but are always turned down with other dogs so they think they can start their own track, when in reality if you were to turn them down by themselves they look like idiots. I probably do everything ass backwards but oh well, haha. Guess Im with most people in letting my pups run behind the older dogs for awhile then work on having them start a track on their own without any help to see what they're capable of.

[krk hunting]

It really depends on why I am out there hunting, if I have to have the bear caught I lead with a seasoned dog and feed the other seasoned dogs out as soon as the track is lined out then pups last. If I am just hunting or training I will turn out an experienced dog with an in-experienced dog at the same time, so the inexperienced dog can see first hand how the game is played and the more he learns and better he does I will eventually after a hand full of bears start him first and then turn in some good dogs as soon as he gets it going. Then fallow up with some more pups. I may turn out 2 pups with one experienced dog if they are working good and making races, I dont really like starting any more pups than finished dogs it causes room for kaos. What i mean if I am hunting 8 dogs 4 better be finished and 4 can be pups, I dont like to have 2 finished and 4 pups but I dont mind 4 finished and 2 pups. By the end of the second season they better be starting their own tracks or they are going down the road.


Kevin

[lippy]

That is a good question. From what i have been told you turn the lead dog out let it get it lined out then the youngest dogs then the next set of older dogs. That is on bears.I like to just keep at the most 3-4 dogs on cats and not much more. If i have a pup training for cats i like to put it with the first old dog and then turn the others out.Because if the first older dog is good that pup is not going to draw the lead dog off of a track. I myself start hunting my puppies early i dont push them if they go they go if not then they will catch on.But the biggest part to remember is patience on young dogs they gotta learn somehow.Trust me on this one i darn near blew it a few times and now i am sure glad i did not get rid of my old dog. She is now 5 years old and a darn good dog.

This is just my foretake on this. Sorry if anyone is offended.