over running the track

[coastrangecathunting]

what is your take on a dog that over runs the track . do u shock them . with the garmin u can see it happen but there is a 5 sec. delay . so how do u know the dog hasnt already turned around and is doing the right thing . do u just deal with it . they will still catch the cat just takes them longer . what do u do with this dog . im talking 30 to 50 yrds . dosnt sound like much but that gives the cat 20 to 30 sec. every time the dog over runs it.

jc

[al baldwin]

Hi JC good to see you take so much interest in improving your hounds. My opinion is a dog over running a track by that amount would be best to not use the tri-tonic. But then I have never able to read dogs as some can, and like to give them the benefit of doubt. Another area I cautious of is correcting a dog for barking off track. Unless I can see the dog and have no doubt I will not correct. But, heck I prefer the dogs that are vocal on track, I love to hear the dogs work. I do realize dogs that Dewey Walton describes are the ones that have an easier time catching & it never hurts to have one or so in the pack. But I do not like hunting them alone. My first good hound operated that way & I spent too much time on a high point listening for a dog to bark. If lucky I herad a short race & always a good tree job. Just my take & not meant to offend anyone. Al

[Jeff Eberle]

JC I'm not to sure that this is something that you would disciple for on ALL DOGS. I would take in a couple of things first, is this a young dog ? or lead dog ? and is this dog pulling dogs with it? How does this dog run the track ? Some days is this dog the hero and some the 0 ? If this dog runs real wide this could be happen more times then you know of other then the fact that it pays off sometime the dog may have learned to cheat. How bad does it bother you I guess is the ? here. if you don't think it's hurting your catch ratio or teaching your young dogs the same thing I think I would hunt that dog by it's self a little to see if you can come up with why the dog is over run the track and if you can fix it. That probably didn't help you to much but it's a start some thing to think about in the end it all boils down to they are just dogs and some days we are smarter and some days they are. Good luck

[coastrangecathunting]

thanks for the response guys . she is a lead dog and can shine on the right cat . she trys to run the cat so hard it hurts her over all track speed . i sold this dog to tim pittman and he and dewey both have hunted with her . i bought her back last year . she does bark off track a little more than i like but she is covering so much ground looking 4 the track it is hard to tell when she crosses the track and when she hasnt . has she costed me from catching a cat? maybe she has ,maybe she hasnt i cant say. i think she has got cats going that i might not have started without her. i have always looked at catdogs like this . if they are not helping u than they are hurting u. some of the biggest things that hurt u on a cat race are over running and barking off track. she does both . but she does do alot of good when it comes to other things . hopefully tim and dewey can add to this since they both know the dog .

jc

[Oldmanindeepsnow]

Ask yourself if you whould be happier if she was a track straddler and was slower

[twist]

jc, this is my theory and I am a snow hunter,about the only way to try and teach them not to do the over running and barking off track is to fallow on foot you can see when ever you are able to catch up with them on a cold trail when they have made a lose and then if you see a dog doing this you can give a light buzz or voice comand and kick in the butt to correct and then get the dog back on the track. How the guys know they are doing this on a jumped cat is beyond me unless the garmin shows the dog is way off track and babbling from the other dogs but that is hard to do alot of times as if anyone is able to keep up with thier hounds on the jump they are doing a heck of a job and they shouldnt need a dog to catch cats just themself. I hope you get some good responses. Andy

[CATHUNTER1]

How do you know she over ran the track with out seeing for your self,could be running the scent drift?Also the Cat could have come back on its own track,also depends if its a red hot track,which can stall out the dog for a bit until she lines the track out again,don't sweat the small stuff No need for electricity for something like this.What matters is that she ends up on the tree.

[bladeggc40]

I agree with cathunter1, sounds like it's scent drifting. one of my girls is always doing it, trying to cheat it out, even if she gets off she will always hit the tree hard. I know i would stay off the button and let her do her thing

[CATHUNTER1]

I can see this happening alot more frequently on a real hot track,to the point of almost pulling some hair,this COULD happen more with a faster dog,depends alot on track style,some stand on there head,some are stuck on a clothes line and (some get with it )JC does she have any of the same blood as my little trigg?Sometimes i think they just can't put the brakes on fast enough,kinda like when a Stock Car hits the Wall

[coastrangecathunting]

she is half trigg but she isnt related to the female u got . how is she doing. warner and i were talking the other day and jon hit it on the head . its like a super cross rider that flys on the strait stretch but comes into the corners to fast. by the time he gets back on the corse the slow rider makes the corner .the rider gets back on the course passes the slower rider again but over the the next corner. and so on. frustrating . she cold trails head up drifting , when she crosses the track she opens and continous drifting . like i said on some tracks she shines . some i scratch my head and wonder what the hell she is doing .

jc

[CATHUNTER1]

How are you decideing she is off the track,is the rest of the thundering herd ,lined out and packed up away from her,how is the track speed of your other hounds compared to her,could be just like i said before maybe she can't get on the binders fast enough,some of them triggs run on high octane

[coastrangecathunting]

cathunter1 , i would love to see that little female u got out of my dogs and would like u to see this dog i got . think u could come this way and we could make a hunt before season is over.

jc

[coastrangecathunting]

i can see it on the garmin and with my 2 eyes when they are around the road.

jc

[varmitin]

just remember, more often then not the cat feeds in circles this can make it look like your dog is making a lose but really the other dogs are going in a straight line to catch up. Hope that makes sense.

[jasonrinebold]

I noticed that if your on the second race of the day the overunning problem is gone. Kinda like when you let a crazy bird dog out and he runs past 50 roasters with out pointing any. I always do better when my dogs are a bit hunted down. So when I'm only able to hunt once a week or the dogs have been kenneled for a week I'll try road them 3 or 4 miles and take the edge off thier crazyness when I have time on the way out to hunt. Seems to help sometimes.