over running the track

[coastrangecathunting]

good point jason, me and warner were talking about that the other day. ran 2 cats last night . first one was a tom . found his scratch . took it backwards for 3 or 4 hundred yards them they turned it around . trailed it up really well for close to a mile . it was one hell of a race once they got up and moving . ran it for about 2 hours . they were in a draw about 50 yards off the road when i came around the corner my headlights hit where the dogs had made a lose. they looked for it and some were treeing but that was all she wrote. never could get it located . the next cat was a tough one also . dogs got it jumped after a 20 min trail up and it found a 200 ft tall bluff . dogs treed on the bluff untill my vegas female got it picked up on top . once she opened the rest went around to her . they ran another 45 min or so and lost it in a road. conditions were below frezzing that might of had something to do with it . but i got to hear 2 good cat races . cant believe i got beat twice in the same night . there wasnt much over running on either race . the dogs were hunted the night before , so being hunted down some does help .

jc

[possum]

I am interested in how one could correct over running a track. Seems like a dog is going to run a track the way it is programed genetically. Genetics and experience equal what the dog is going to be.

[coastrangecathunting]

from what i have gotten is keep them wore down or shock them if u know they are over running . it is hard to shock a dog for running a cat , but if they are running it wrong what else can u do . that is why i started this . i havent shocked her yet and was trying to see if anyone has and if it works. she is the type of dog that shocking her wouldnt make her hump up .

jc

[al baldwin]

JC way to tell like it happened, can,t remember how many days I,ve had that happen to my dogs over the years. Catch several in a row, then go thru times when I wonder if dogs can catch a cat at all. Thats why remind myself to stay humble. Al

[dwalton]

JC: You are referring to Lacey. She is what she is. I think that line barks every breath on a jump. Running fox some are bred that way. She was hard for us to settle down. It was easy on the road where we could see her, harder where we could not. If you have cats doubling back on you your dogs are over running them. Most dogs do, when you run a pack of fast dogs you will have more of a problem. I have seen dogs that make all the corners but few of those. My dogs are open mouth they just don't bark at the same bush. A dog should make all the corners, they should locate all the trees, they should always be on the track, they should only bark once at a one spot, they should not bark going to a dog that has opened...... If you are waiting for all of this in a dog you will be waiting a long time. So we work with what we have and make the best of it. When someone has a perfect dog, let me know I would like to see one. I have had some really good ones but none that were perfect. Dewey

[dwalton]

JC: One thing that I forgot that I was going to say. Watch your old dogs they will quite honoring a dog that is barking off track. When they don't go to her, that is the time to nail her when she is barking. I never go to the side of caution, If I think they are wrong I correct them. I feel like a heal when I shock them for what I thought they were doing and not what they were doing. I shock they this week for trailing a cat when all I could see was deer, even though I have not ran a deer with those three in a long time. None of us are right all the time and that includes the dogs. I work with a lot of young guys that are learning cat hunting, two things I tell them right off and when you understand these two things you are on your way to be a cat hunter. One, the dogs hunt with you not you with them, two Don't set in a pickup with your window down and make up a story as to what is happening, go in there and find out. The dog that sounds like he is doing it is usually the one not doing it. Dewey.

[Huntintony]

I have a dog that I have to lightly shock every now and then for overrunning a track. If I don't road him for a few miles before I cut a track, I will have to slow him down with Tri Tronics for sure. It works for me. He seems to know exactly what I mean when I push that button.

[BlazeNBrat]

JC: One thing that I forgot that I was going to say. Watch your old dogs they will quite honoring a dog that is barking off track. When they don't go to her, that is the time to nail her when she is barking. I never go to the side of caution, If I think they are wrong I correct them. I feel like a heal when I shock them for what I thought they were doing and not what they were doing. I shock they this week for trailing a cat when all I could see was deer, even though I have not ran a deer with those three in a long time. None of us are right all the time and that includes the dogs. I work with a lot of young guys that are learning cat hunting, two things I tell them right off and when you understand these two things you are on your way to be a cat hunter. One, the dogs hunt with you not you with them, two Don't set in a pickup with your window down and make up a story as to what is happening, go in there and find out. The dog that sounds like he is doing it is usually the one not doing it. Dewey.

Good post! however, I would have to disagree with the very last statement.

I've learned to chill out on the remote thinking I know whats going on all the time, and it seems to work much better. There's been times I just wished I had a collar on that bitch cuz I would have just fried her, she come across the trail, she aint even on a track! then the next time I see her she's got a cat in a tree Thank god I wasnt able to shock, because I knew it all that day!

[Huntintony]

I am usually right with them on the track. (if I can keep up)! He is just wound up unless I run him a bit. The good thing is, is that he doesn't open much so he doesn't pull my other dogs off with him.


Good post!

[Tim Pittman]

When I owned Lacey,I saw the same thing JC.She really shines on some,some she doesn't.If I felt she was overbarking a track[usually goes along with overrunning,in her case]I'd tone her acouple of times,if I didn't get my point across I'd go to 2 on a short simutanios nick in cadence with her bark,this occured mostly after a couple days off,or along trail job right before we jumped it.I had a little easier time telling what was happening when Suzie,Minnie,and Rita started ignoring her on the overshoots or overbarks.I don't believe it'll hurt her to tell her to slow down.One day last I cold trailed a tom for quite awhile,and was near the dogs most of the time,I had done all this several times[my patience was running low and she wasn't catching on]so I caught her up and slipped a front foot through her collar,then she was just right.After that she was very attentive to the tone and nick.As far as correcting dogs on good game[right or wrong correction]I haven't seen it hurt one yet,there are far too many other things we show them such as praise,body language,permission etc.that keeps them encouraged to keep running the desired game.If tri tronics is used at the right time and fashion dogs react to this with supersticous behavior,meaning the think the deer means electricity,overbarking means a tone or a nick,master is calling--I'm not responding--if he calls again,the tone goes off followed by anick.A man by the name of Bernard Finks is a k9 police dog[schutzhund]specialist in California,Ive read and studied quite a few of his methods and theories,this guy is wizzard on dogs.A cowdog man by the name of Roy Cox is also a guy worth watching if ya ever get a chance at one of clinics--you'd swear he's part dog[communication is second to none]I'll quit rambling,so I can get up to go hunting again tomorrow,good night all.

[jasonrinebold]

JC I got beat twice the other day too and it sucked. Turned on a snowed in track and the snow was dripping out like a rain storm under the trees at daylight. They worked and worked it and I finally heard them jump it about an hour and half into it a mile away. I buried my truck trying to get to them and they looked treed by the garmin for about 2 hours before I made it to them. They were "treeing" a big patch of furs and I looked for over an hour and couldn't find the cat. I walked a few loops and he was there but I couldn't find him. While all this was going on I had cut a big cat that walked behind me around 7am. I made it back and tried turning on it at 1145am and they couldn't move it 200 yrds off the road. I tried walking the track out a ways but couldn't even find it under the trees by site it had meltd so much. I guess thats what I get for hunting fresh snow when its 45 degrees out. I did learn how to turn off the traction control on my new Tacoma though I was ready to push it off a cliff that whole morning.

[coastrangecathunting]

thanks for the imput tim i will try that next time she does it . she has been doing alot better the last 3 days . ran one today for almost 3 hours . one of the best cat races i have had . the ending was in a bolder patch in a big creek , witch sucked but the race was great. almost every dog had there moment . they started it pretty hot , winded it up in some reprod. they line out and got out of hearing . when i found them they had made a lose in a windfall draw . lacy and stormy picked it up and got out of hearing before the rest new they had it. before the others went out on the track lacy and stormy were over 800 yards on the gps. they crossed 3 roads by the time i found them again . they made a long lose in a bluffy draw . when they got it out of that shit hole they got it jumped and for about half a mile they were flat putting it to that cat . they lined out and it made a hard double back to the bolder patch draw were it was safe . my 9 month old ringer pup out of stormy and warners talker dog is flat getting it done . during the race dogs were getting slung out and he stayed with the lead dogs almost the whole time. on the last jump his name was flashing out in front once in a while . the dogs are flat wore out going to give them a couple days off. ran 4 cats in the last 48 hours.

[Warner5]

I like hearing about our pups, is it safe to say the name stuck. Take it easy. John.

[al baldwin]

Thanks Dewey & Tim enjoyed reading, you guys are very good at explaining. I too believe any dog that stands & barks at a bush deserves to be corrected, That is an easy one. But, 30 yds. = 90 ft. how anyone figures how to correct a dog for over running or barking off by that amount is beyond me. Thanks Al

[Warner5]

I sure like reading about this advanced style of correcting. I am with Al, you guy's can sure give a reader a good mental picture. Some day I might try some of these but I think me and my dogs are not ready. Until that day comes I will keep doing whats worked on my dogs before. John Wick explains it best for me and my hunting style. "If your dog is doing a good job with other hounds, I think it is a good idea to hunt him by himself, and the sooner the better." For most of our on track problems I think this advice would work giving the dog a chance to work its problems out naturally. Thank you. John.