Hounds that hang up to much on the track?

[kordog]

hounding is tough enough without adding a dog that stands on its head all the time being counter productive.i dont care if its a rabbit dog ,coondog ,or bob dog. some dogs never make it past the check its just the way it is . bobcat dogs would be cheap if every dog could be taught not to hang up.

[al baldwin]

John consider old school because of my huntinging style, am gettiig old, was mentored by two goverment hunters. In the med 80/s hunted with a cat hunter his pack was full open, summer time & hunting 12 mile, cats there can be very hard to catch. That pack convinced me dogs can bark a hole bunch and have good catch rate. Dogs just have to push hard enough to break the cats pace, have nose to get loses out of the roads, locate & tree. He also taught me let the dogs work even the slightest cat scent & good things might happen. Had never seen anyone so determined & he never harvested the cat. This guy loved to hunt more than anyone I knew & still does. Told about last friday hunt, trying to explain this theory. True having subpar season, lot of due medical condition, but, lucky & I should not complain. Am convinced this cat hunting must differ in other areas & if we hunted there would have a lot to learn. I believe if some hunted here they also would be in for some suprises. Be a little more cautious & stop in sometime. Al

[mondomuttruner]

Now are you talking hanging up on a cold track or hot track? I see a lot of guys want the dogs to move a track forward, up here it is normal for a cat to back track on it's own track for a hundred yards, sometimes more, sometimes less. Yes they will hang up on the end of this trail but will go back and find where the cat cut off it's track. I never tone a dog for coming back because a high percentage of time they will find where the cat cut off. Mind you, this is on a cold track. Every cat hunter should walk a track for a couple of hours and see just how a cat operates. Do this on a number of tracks and you will start to give the dogs a little break. I'm fine with a 5 or 10 minute hangup on a tough track but excessive hangup? Jumped track- different story.

[twist]

I am talking on a cold track. If a dog does this very long and you are hunting one or two other dogs they are out of the race, yes there are exceptions but I am talking a dog that does this way to much. If a dog does this on a hot track well that isnt good either. Most dogs that do this seem to be very independent.

[Unreal_tk]

After re reading this, I think I was thinking wrong on my first post but I understand it now. I do not have a dog that does this yet.

[al baldwin]

Andy I too didn/ understand your question. The dog that fits your description was a registered walker female I ordered. At 2 years old, gave her to young hunter just starting in hounds. She was a good box dog, treed good & was relaible to start cats. New owner caught quite a few bobcat with & numerous cougar. BRed her & told me her pups that got hunted didn,t have this trait. Have never had the heart to destory such a dog. Have owned dogs at 1 year old were not at all impressive, that made a dog that I was sure happy I didn,t give up on. Just my experiecce. Al

[twist]

I am talking the the type of dog that hangs up in (one spot) to much on a track rather than keep pushing it, this I am talking is on the cold trail. Can this be corrected and if so how has it been done. To me this is a fault just about like false treeing as the dog wont leave the hot spot when it needs to push on with the track. If a dog does this with a few other dogs that can move the track the are left out of the race as the other dogs are in the next canyon when old so and so is still barkin at the hot spot. hope that clears it up a little more. Andy

[al baldwin]

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[sourdough]

Of courses this is in the bobcat section so I might not have much input, but the principles the same. I know you can help a hound from being so sticky, but I am not sure you can break them of this trait. I don’t mind this trait in cold trailing lion as long as we are moving and gaining ground there is a good chance that you will jump that lion and tree them. This type of hound is the type that will not walk over a track and also make the difference between trailing something and spending a lot of gas money driving around looking for tracks. Kind of counterproductive for the bobcat hunter or the weekender that just has a minimum amount of time to spend in the hills. For a bobcat hunter you may not see any benefit to this style of hound, but throw a couple drifters in the mix and you have a deadly combination. Those sticky types of hounds will anchor a track and give you time to help them through it. Whereas the drifters will drift into a lose you will never recover. Again that sticky hound is not the type a bobcat hunter would like, but don’t discount those traits. They are helpful at times.

sourdough

[jake]

My old femail will do this some time's, It's like she's more content scenting that area than moving the track, I just scratch my head. I have even watched her start to follow the dogs moving the track and then run back for one last nose full followed by an off track beller. Ever since I watched her do this I put shock collars on all the dogs all the time. Usually a beep is all it takes to remind her where we are and what were doing. I have the same problem leaving the house when the cookie jar is full. Thanks. John.

this is what I think of win I here hound that hangs up to much on the track..lots of times thay are your best rig dogs.have had two like that.