ursus plotts

[wvplott]

Let it go man. That comment wasn't even directed at you.

[wvplott]

Here's my question for all you Ursus breeders.I'm not trying to stir the, crap but is the cull rate on these dog really 50 percent as some have said. I'd like to get one but if it's that high would it be worth it. The one's I hunted with year ago were nice dogs.

It depends on what your standards are. Relating to what Dennis said... from my experience, 80-90 percent will be, at the very least, usable bear dogs.

I've only seen a few (out of the dozens of Ursus dogs I have hunted with) that showed zero interest in bear at 12-18 months of age. The vast majority are natural, early starters and are well balanced dogs.

[fish eater]

Ok I see that Dennis and Catch live in Idaho and have hunted together according to the other post.My question for Dennis was Catch's dog's less or does he have a higher standard of what he hunts.Like you said there's average and higher.I'd rather feed the higher one than average.You know I would like to come see more of Idaho and these dog in action this spring,before I buy one.I dont see any need to go to Canada if Dennis is breeding for Steve.I've got time off in May all I'd need is an invite.

[beardog sam]

Hey fish eater. Catch does hold a higher standard of his plotts.I went and hunted with him a couple of times, and seen with my own eye what his dog will do. He didnt turn 5 or 6 loose it was 2 or 3 every time.I watched two of his dog hang all over a bear on the ground, they both were full of hole when they put him up.Most wouldn't have stayed.One was only 10 months old .Call him up he'll take you hunting.

[Dennis Fisher]

Mr. fish eater, your more than welcome to come and hunt anytime you wish. But May ain't that great unless it's the last week. Turkey season gets over the 23rd and that's when a huge area we call the bear study area opens up. Our season opens up April 15th in the others areas, but snow usually stops us until around the first to middle of May in those anyways. But those areas are loaded with wolves. Of course, this years there's little snow, so far. And the wolves, you've just got to see where their at and keep track of them. Those suckers move a bunch. June, July and September is when it really gets fun in this State. So the best plan is just get a hold of me and I keep you posted about what's happening with both the snow and the wolves. This years has definitely been a weird one. Little snow, but the wolves are every where down low. They're usually are in just certain drainage's this time of year.

To answer your question of Catch in short. I never had any problem at all with his desire to hunt. When I was around him, when life allowed him the opportunity, he was always in the woods. And what his goal was he was trying to achieve in his dogs was just the same as most all others want to achieve. Having dogs that make a hunt successful is what makes this sport so enjoyable. And as far has what his dogs were compared to mine back then. He had some that were from the same litters as some of mine, we both had others that were from different ones. But that time frame was very short and quite a while back now. As far has to what he's doing with hunting, what he's trying to achieve and what he has for dogs now, has long as he leaves me alone to do what I do, I could care less.

[reed]

Ernie, I guess Steve would have to man up and call people back, or answer his phone.

Bob, if you took offense to that question that is too bad for you. That is the rumor that is going around. There seems to be a bunch of Ursus cronies here so I figured they could squelch the rumor right here and now. I would hate for false information to be circulating about my buddy, unless it is true. Even with that speeding is on the wrong side of law as well. Maybe it is worse than a speeding ticket? But my guess is Steve is directing all this info any ways so he will let be known what he wants.

One question that I have is: Why are the only guys that are on here saying how good these dogs are Steves friends? Isn't that like providing your own references?

[walker/plott.]

over the years the couple ursus plotts i had, were ok bay dogs but were way to slow to keep up with my trigg crosses.so i culled them!!!

[backwoods1]

X2 "reed"!!!

[wvplott]

Ernie, I guess Steve would have to man up and call people back, or answer his phone.

Bob, if you took offense to that question that is too bad for you. That is the rumor that is going around. There seems to be a bunch of Ursus cronies here so I figured they could squelch the rumor right here and now. I would hate for false information to be circulating about my buddy, unless it is true. Even with that speeding is on the wrong side of law as well. Maybe it is worse than a speeding ticket? But my guess is Steve is directing all this info any ways so he will let be known what he wants.

One question that I have is: Why are the only guys that are on here saying how good these dogs are Steves friends? Isn't that like providing your own references?

Matt,
All I said was that anyone looking to get a story about Steve should call Steve. I can't control whether or not he answers the phone, or if he's even at home right now..

and you know as well as I do how well respected these dogs are for catching various types of game all over the world. I can't believe you'd make that last statement. I seriously doubt there is a man alive today who has accomplished any more than Steve Mohr has with his plott dogs. The secret is surely not confined to a few of his friends on this hound site as you have suggested.

[Catch]

Ernie,

after reading your post and the list of references, I read something odd. Don't you have pups for sale that are 5 months old now?

[wvplott]

Ernie,

after reading your post and the list of references, I read something odd. Don't you have pups for sale that are 5 months old now?

That is correct, and thanks for taking the time to review my references. I'm sure you also noticed that those pups weren't advertised until about two weeks ago... so it's not like I've been trying to sell them (without any interest) as you have suggested.

I like to keep my pups until they are at least 4-5 months old before I part with them... because (among other things) I like to make sure they get off to a good start. Every dog I've raised has been allowed to run loose on the farm as a pup, giving them very valuable exposure to the elements. Every pup that leaves my house will also "road hunt" with the older dogs, and has been given extensive obedience training.

You would not believe how much more advanced these pups are when it comes time to start them on bear...as opposed to those who are raised in a kennel.

Keeping these pups longer also allows me to study the cross "Across the board", and evaluate traits, confirmation, etc. I think it's very important when having a breeding program to collect and analyze as much data as you can about your crosses; not only from the ones you keep, but also in the ones you let go. I make frequent contact with the vast majority of folks who have my dogs, to see how they are progressing.

Now, given that you know why I do not let my pups go until this point in time, I would be very surprised if you (as a person who raises dogs) would question my methods any further, because I am sure as an expert houndman you would see the value in doing this for your young pups (as it relates to their development, and for your breeding program). Now I'm not saying that this method will work for everyone, because most folks do not have the "Set up" that I do as far as where they live.

I also have a list of people who I've sold pups, dogs too if you'd like those.

[wvplott]

I also wanted to mention that the pups you asked about (or questioned the quality of ) as being for sale are out of Ursus Demon, a dog that you spoke very highly of (and considered breeding to) on the smithdeal site. Actually, it is an uncle/neice cross to Gretchen's daughter blondie.... so it is very tight on the Squirt x Amber cross (which you also did extensive research on..to the extent of trying to locating the whereabouts of the dogs from that cross).

I went over to the smithdeal and was able to retrieve some of your old posts related to Ursus Demon, Ursus Squirt, and the Ursus dogs in general. As I stated previously, those posts will prove that your "down grading" of the Ursus dogs was a direct result of your hatred for Steve Mohr, and not due to the performance of his dogs. Those posts will also show a direct contrast to your current analysis of the Ursus dogs, and the quality of the breeding that I am currently involved with.

Can we both agree to discontinue the attacks?...because I really don't want to have to go to the extent of posting your past comments on here to defend myself, my dogs, Steve Mohr, or the quality of the Ursus dogs in general. You have asked Dennis and Steve for a truce, and I'm sure there are many others who would like to make peace with this whole ordeal, including myself. Enough is enough.

[bob]

Reed: Which side of the law are you on? ..petal to the metal, most of bearhunters drive on the wrong side of the law. You guys keep up this bull shit of attacking fellow Houndsmen on the open internet it will bring the end to hunting bears with dogs ... as Pres. of the Ontario bear Hound Association I watch for members stupid posts on the net... along with videos and pictures ... some never learn ... one group sent pics of their dogs training on a "pet potbelly pig" just what the antis need ... here in Ontario we lost our Spring Bear Hunt because of a video showing dogs tearing a bear apart ( actually it was a bear hide ) ... this video was sent to the law makers and guess what no more Spring Hunt ... just about lost our fall hunt ... I take the time to call these fellow hunters explain the possible damage that could result and I can say that 100% of the posts or videos and pics have been removed ... as you can see by the number of posts that I have from 2007 are few ... because I choose not to get involved in stupid attack discussions on fellow houndsmen ...
.... Yes, I took offense to the way you and Backwoods1 play around with a ... "rumor" ( your words) .... neither one of you have stated what the "Rumor" is ...if you have a pair between you it is time to put up or shut up .......

.....your question ... it only makes sense that houndsmen who actually have hunted Urus dogs would comment ...just the same as you have done with the Nabek line ... where you take your annual one week hunt with your friend Larry F.

.........................."united we stand divided we fall"

[backwoods1]

Bob, point taken on united we stand an divided we fall!! That's y I have offered my number many times for people to call, instead of possible posting a false statement about a man on a open public forum. So if u have a pair call an ill be glad to share.

[wvplott]

Bob, point taken on united we stand an divided we fall!! That's y I have offered my number many times for people to call, instead of possible posting a false statement about a man on a open public forum. So if u have a pair call an ill be glad to share.

The Bob Frazier I know won't have a problem talking with you in private.