Montana dry grounding (bobcat)

[Todd Davis]

Andy,
Brandy trails good locates well not a blow the top out of the tree, tree dog and tight mouth on track till jumped . Slash is far more a faster track dog he is just a pup but is putting it together fast. I have seen jumps with black and white dogs out front and sometimes brandy it all depends on how they are stacked at the time . The topper dogs dont get out run on track or jump track by my running dog( brandy ) brandy picks up loses well but them walker are doing a great job for there age Twist not yet 2 and slash not yet a year old . Brandy is coming 5 and has had alot more game then twist and Slash.
Newby give me a call 406 560 2097 and i will get you on the list
Todd

[Tim Pittman]

Todd. got ahold of the guy call me saturday.I think you're talking about a potenially good cross with Butch.

[redmange]

Just wondering about how many cats it takes to get 25000 dollars are caly cats worth more?

[dwalton]

Cat very a lot as to where they are caught, how they are handled and condition of the pelt. One of the big sales this year the bid on cats went from $2 to $ 1200. AS in Oregon you can catch a $20 cat or a $1200 cat. If it has no fur or damage, red color or female that has raised kittens it may have little value. In the winter 2010-2011 I had my best year 64 cats, this year 48 in the three month season. The best cats come from the open desert country of the great basin. Coastal Oregon or California are the worst. To sell California cats you have to pass a trapper test which covers a lot of material[ 185 pages is what there is to know] according to the fish and game people only 25% pass the first time. I spent 2 years scouting for cats down there as I do in Oregon I camp and scout most of the summer to find where pockets of cats are. People don't realize the time and energy that is spent to catch and train cat dogs. It is a 12 month a year job for a three month kill season. The dogs will only be as good as the time spent on them no matter what the breeding. Dewey

[slowandeasy]

wow, dewy they probably charge to take the test too! sounds like all sportsman should evacuate the state put a big fence with coiled razor wire, import all the green people and keep them there. than they could pay for all their crazy ideas themselves instead rest of the country picking up the tab

[BlazeNBrat]

I made a two hole box trying to rig during the cold months here in WI. While this has nothing to do with dry conditions, I did have good success with this box and the dogs stayed pretty comfortable.

It's a box that covers the distance between a Owen's aluminum box and the front of the truck bed (Toyota Tacoma). It only has two holes but I think that is why it worked so well. When the two dogs in the box put their heads out the holes they stay warm from the neck down. When only one dog has it's head out it keeps to much wind from circulating quickly around the box. If you only put two dogs in the box the air can never be cut off too much for a dog inside to run out of air. Even when it's -20 degrees, if two dogs have their heads in the rig holes it's very warm on the inside of the box. Anyhow, this worked very well for rigging during the coldest time of the year and I don't think it would work as well with any more holes than two.

Here's a picture:



If I've explained this correctly, I think it will help some others in cold-country.

Dan, nice box! I assume you are rigging cats in the winter or coyotes? or both?

[redmange]

[al baldwin]

Nice to see everyone getting alone. Glad to hear Butch might sire another litter, real curious to know how they turn out. Sometimes dogs can throw traits they did not show. Not always the best dogs that produce the better pups, if from a family of good dogs. Could it be Butch has more to do with those good pups than thought? Plus if he can really push a track can/t be all that bad. Dewey if you get down stop in. thanks Al Baldwin

[dwalton]

Jimmy you are not the only one that thinks I catch my cats trapping. As with the others that think that with your knowledge and dogs no it could not happen. Dewey

[Dads dogboy]

Well it looks like a good time to step in and remind folks that Slander and Malicious language will not be tolerated here in the Bobcat Section!

Occasional Posters who come into a conversation to start trouble will not be allowed to disrupt the QUALITY dialogue that has preceded it!

Buddyw and the Three Bobcat Section Leaders have been hoping that the Good Will exhibited of late would continue without the RULES having to be Posted and Used to head off unwanted and maybe unwarranted behavior.

It looks like the time has come to Nip this in the Bud….take heed!

[newby]

somebody just got the electricity...: )

[twist]

Al, yes Butch comes from some great background of true hunting hounds that catch game, I would like for everyone to know Butch by know meens is just an ok Bobcat dog. He has his faults just like every other dog. There are none that dont have them. He will trail and tree bobcats with the best of them just about anywhere he sets his feet down and because he didnt fit Dewey style, is in no meens is he just an average cat dog and I believe Dewey will justify that some great dogs just dont click for some peoples style of hunting. I would like to say for the Oregon hunters my hat is off to you guys as there is no doubt in my mind you have some of the nicest cat dogs there are and these boys do catch a crap load of cats with dogs not traps. If a person takes the time and commits to bobcats and hunts where there is plenty of them you will certainly catch high numbers with hounds. Thanks dadsdogboy for putting a stop to any bull crap that may arise from a great bunch of wisdom that has come from this post. This shows that one can diagree and still be able to carry on a great post and hopefully learn a thing or two, if everyone thought or hunted alike it would be a boring world. Also I would like to say a big thanks for Dewey selling me Butch a few years back as he is everything and more you said he was. Andy

[newby]

Andy,

Just curious, cause I've never huted with any of those topper again dogs...you said you've hauled your dogs around and tried to see if they would strike you a cat, I just did the same today (no luck). The question is, as Dewey already mentioned and it seems to be popular belief that strike dogs are born not trained...so do your line of dogs typically make good strike dogs on other game or in other areas, or is that possibly just not a strong suit of this strain of dogs? I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out if I just don't have the genetics to get that part of it done here and that's why I can't seem to strike anything or if the conditions are just too hard here. We had a hard rain here yesterday afternoon and the ground was frozen when I hit the first road this morning. I started an old cat track off the ground while I was just roading them to clean out, 200 yrds off the main road, but they were headed into private property so had to pull them off, then put them on the box on the icy patches and roaded the dry patches alternating for another 25 miles total and never got another peep the rest of the trip, but the dogs got a good workout anyway. Let me know what ya think.

[slowandeasy]

way to go dewey!!! like mike leonard says, nothing is more dangerous than sincere _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ !

[Dads dogboy]

Newby,

Let me tell a little about our luck with Rig Dogs.

When Mr. Dewey says that they are BORN not Made, this is a very True Statement in our experience!

We have littermates who one will be a Rig Dog and the Other Not at all.

We have had Litters where all 6 made darn nice Rig Dogs, then the next litter from the same cross only 1 out of 7 is a Rig Dog.

I would doubt that any one Strain would have any LESS chance of producing a Rig Dog.....it is just that some Hounds seem to be anointed with the "RIGGING" Gene and some don't!

I know that Big N Blue has a Little Nance female that we hunted in Florida a couple of years ago, who was Bred something like Andy's Hounds are. She very definitely would have and would still make a RIG Hound. We put her up some and while she was learning the RIGGING Thing, she was quick to bark when smelling Game.