Decline of the Redbone Hound ??

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Ike wrote:I got a call from a buddy last night telling me he'd gone out lion hunting yesterday with a client hunter and one of his dogs in the box blew up on a rig, so he stopped and looked around. To his surprise, he found a lion track.

"Do you know what dog rigged that track," was his question? To which I responded, "No." He laughed and told me it was that Sam Dog I'd sold him.

He finished the story and claimed the lion bayed at the tree and cut up four of his dogs before treeing and they ended up taking the lion. That little Sam dog that use to belong to me had rigged him a lion on their first outing and ran it to the tree. So it seems the redbone breed is still alive and well and catching a few of these western lions.

This guy had called me awhile back looking for a lead dog cause his had gotten killed and his best young prospect had been bitten through the nose, which seemed to have set him back. I remember him saying his dogs just weren't fcentral cainishing tracks they should finish. According to his talk, he'd been running hounds for twenty-five or thirty years and had bought dogs from many of the top dog breeders and trainers in this region. This guy had come from the northwest and talked about hunting and people in a lot of western states, and seemed to know the game.

I don't usually turn loose of a dog, but with the deep snow, the lack of lions in my area combined with me moving away from winter Lion hunting, I told him I would think about it. I was feeding nine dogs and just didn't really need seven dogs that would run and catch their own lions, so I took him my five year old Sam dog along with a guarantee saying I'd take him back if he didn't work out for him.

Well, it sounded like he was sure proud of that little redbone yesterday as he already had plans to breed him to a young red dog he got from some California houndsmen out near Redding. And I'll bet it would be hard to buy him back now. Yes, it sounds like the redbone hound is still leading alot of hunters and handlers to the tree these days.
Hi my name is jack and I use too know 2 hunter would now be in their 40`s (Randy Taylor) (Mike Pipkens) of Antiuck Ca in the sanjoaquine river delton out of the sacramento river by I-5 south . Randy had Timberchopper line an Mike had PuckettxBlakesley lines . this was back in the 80`s/ and of course Joe Puckett but he has too be desiest now hed be over 100 yrs old now. There should be some nice hunten dark red one in the bay area of Ca, from their crosses yet still kept and goen-on I had Pepper`s Burgandy Hank and Pepper`s Ole Sugar. Hank was pucket line and Sugar was lite fawn colored an Tucker line with Jungle Jim line bred-in on her by Little Bow owned by Ronnie Rice and Richard Lewis of Rio Linda Ca. Maybe the Taylor line is still goen of Timber line?

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Good Thread. I had to dig in to the past and pull up some of thses photos of my red dogs...I got my first hound in 1981 .. I always wanted a Redbone, but could not find one in Arizona. I finally found the type of Redbone I wanted in Monson Mass. A guy by the name of Frank Peck was a bear hunter and used Redbones...I sent for one of his pups I think around August of 1981...I had the only Registered Redbone in Arizona at the time.Shortly after I got that pup, a good buddy of mine gave me a female Bluetick pup...Those were the 2 pups i started with...I caught my first lion with those 2 dogs Jan of 1983

My first red pup ( Buck )
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The letter from Frank Peck
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My dogs at around a year
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There first lion
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My truck stuck in the mud
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After hunting my male for about 2 years, I caught a fare amount of lion and bear with him and my other dog..I started searching for a good female to breed him too.I went through several female pups before deciding on 2...I drove to Missouri and met with Dorman Clouse. I bought a pup from him out of his Reverend Red dog...Later on, I drove to Broken Arrow Oklahoma and got a pup from Richard Chatman out of his Timber Scout and Timber Marge dogs...Those dogs were out of Northern Hoss and Swetnams Rose Max Star...My male dog was heavy Blakesley bred.

I hunted those females for a couple of years and they were great dogs...That was the stock I started my breeding program with.

Here is a photo of my male and 2 females I started with
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My male dog on a lion tree that he treed himself
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I hunted these dogs alot..They were some of the grittiest dogs I have ever owned...They were also the most grudge carrying dogs I have ever owned..My male dogs fought each other a lot...

In the mid 80s I met this rancher named Dink . I heard he had a weakness for wine and cigarrettes...I brought him some of both and we became good friends...Dinks place was the last place on the Blue . the road dead ended at his place. After his place, was either foot or horse traffic all the way to Safford...I hunted south of his place a lot. I caught several lions around his place...I hunted the area enough to tell you that there are easier places to hunt :D ...

I helped Dink with his branding and horning of his calves one spring...He was a neat guy. He was in his 70's at the time, and could still out work most guys half his age...Me included..He is the one who told me about the old timers and where they hunted.

Dink
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Of course I would have to hunt where the Lee Brothers hunted.Me and my buddy hit the Chiricahuas and Paradise area a lot...I was going to hunt my Redbones in the tracks of the Lee brothers for sure...In these 2 photos, we were about 9000 feet....You can see Rucker Lake in the background

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After hunting the southern area for a couple of years,I spent a lot of time in Utah and hunted there as much as I could for about 4-5 years...I hunted with the Mechams a lot. I noticed that my dogs seemed to have better noses than their dogs, but they sure didnt have their dogs speed...That was about the time I learned the difference between trailing and catching...I ended up buying one of their dogs that came off one of their lion studies...He ended up being the best all around dog I have ever owned...The week after I got him, I caught 4 lions in 3 days...He seemed to put the finishing touch on my pack...All in all , I caught 17 lions that year with just my dogs ...The next year, everything fell apart...I lost 4 of my Redbones within a 9 month period....3 from Valley Fever and One from Tick Fever..It really was a gut check for me....I was left with 3 dogs , and only one was one of my Redbones . After that, I never pursued the Redbone breed with any zeal...I turned down an offer from the making of the second Red Fern movie...My heart wasn't in it..I thought the movie was part of the downfall of the Redbone breed because they became so popular from the movie...
Everyone was breeding and selling Redbones...They were pretty and suffered the same fate as the irish Setter in a way...Great show dogs....There are some real good Redbones out there, and if a person wanted to be picky. He could put a pack of Redbones together to do just as good as any other strain of dog s out there...


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Good luck to ya....Coop
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old hounder in our lives and menorys

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Mike Leonard wrote:Ike,

If you see him tell him hello from me. We haven't hunted together since 1979. I knew his dad Tex as well, now there was a character!

Probably not too many of the hound guys still hunting that were when I lived there.

Larry ( Bear) Gurr, Shirely Cooke, Kent Miller, DJ Reynolds, Doug Gibbs, Scott Allred, Scott Gross. George Kennedy, Bruce Nay, Hal Meacham.

Seems like a long time ago and then again it seems like yesterday. I guess that the way life goes.

I was one of them young whippersnappers back then a newbee who had only been in hounds a bit over ten years. Now I am one of the old dudes . LOL!
Mike Lennord your absolety right bout cherrishen them memorys of hunters in your life and I just reccond some weres in the here-after we will all be together again and with bodys that don`t grow old with dogs that in the past we charrieshed and boy the hunts we will have and the bond fire polaberens too share and as each newbee comes into our presence from earth below his fac and ares will grin and our eyse shine and hellows hans will be shook and backs patted and welcoms shared and introductions made too all !? I`m counten on that Mike cause I just cant see myself squatten around on some cloud pluckena harp !?

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Wow.. I left this Thread a while ago and just got back to reading it... For what ever reason I've really liked the Red dogs and for the most part that's all I've owned. We've talked about getting another Breed of dog Blue dogs, Even the dreaded Walker dog sometime.. But that will be more dependent on the dog and how they act and hunt.. not so much the breed.. That's true for Redbones with me as well... I don't think you could call me up and tell me you have a Redbone pup for free without knowing anything about it or how the parents act. I lucked out with Timber Chopper, but the more I hunt and see with these dogs the more I'm able to pick out Qualities that I personally enjoy..

Anyways Awsome photo's Treed..

I'm kinda like URE.. I just don't like always doing what everyone else is doing, I like to Re-invent the wheel and learn the hard way...

Everyone seams to have Walkers, Blueticks. I just enjoy being different, I'm determined that I have the dogs I need to hunt successfully, But Right Now it's just up to me and my ability to train the dog to find the right game.
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Good pics Coop, thanks for sharing. Did you ever hunt with a guy named Terry LaFuze out of Phoenix?

I think the problem with redbones is the same as with many other breeds today. They are bred for something else than ability or kept for something other than hunting. I personally love redbones. There are a lot of other breeds out there and I would love to try some, but there is something about those long ears. I have two redbones that I purchased from Tom Solberg, and I think they are some of the best reds you can get. I really like Timber Choppers, but they charge a bit more than he does. My reds have T-Top, Hoffmeister, and Marrietta's blood in them.

The two reds that I have are a perfect match, my male is medium to cold nosed and fast as hell. When he was about 1 1/2 years old we were up hunting some flat land and ran into a herd of antelope. I swear he was closing the gap on those buggers. You should of seen it, it was hillarious. I'm yelling and honking my horn for them to stop while chasing after them in my truck, off road, trying to avoid ditches and the other dogs all while going at a fair speed. It was a good time. Nothing like using a 3 ton vehicle for trash breaking. My female is cold nosed and can follow a deer like nobodys business. Here are a few pics of them.

Here's my two reds shortly after I got them home from the airport.

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Here's my daughter again with them at the mountain.
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Chow time!! They used to run under my pit, now she runs under them!! :D
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Time to cool off after a long run.
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Sorry about not having any pics of my dogs under the tree, but my lense was broke, or was it that I left the camera in the truck? I'm not sure. :D
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A dogvtreeing up looks good no matter what breed it is of ho

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There you go Zach, that's how red dogs look under the tree with a blue dog and Maltese plott thown in for extras....and that was before my zoom lense


Ya know we was looken at redbone photos and yacke in the memories and hey it it me about PECK ! no it was the same hunter you was talken about but out here on the west coast was very well knon houndman/ Louie Peck ! I wounder if he was related too the Peck you was talken bout . Every olere San Joaquine area hounds men and up in the pacific mtn rang and accrost over in the Sierra mtn rang knew or knew of ole Louie Peck back in the day/ he didn`t run redbones though. I was glad too meet Louie Peck and he was older when I met him and still hunted .

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More red power

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I dug in the old files and came up with these

My wife in Utah at a bear tree
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Red Man on a bear tree in New Mexico
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Bear on the ground
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Some good training
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Another bear in the tree
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Utah Lion 1994

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Kirby doing it in style
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Man those were good times...Good luck to ya....Coop
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[quote="treed"]I dug in the old files and came up with these

My wife in Utah at a bear tree
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Red Man on a bear tree in New Mexico
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Bear on the ground
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Fine pics of reddogs Mr TREED/ I say that cause I`m adden this with all do respect though/ woooweeee that wife of yours wouls be an endangered species out west here/she is a fine repersantation of the species bubba !

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Ike that's a nice lookin Maltese plott. Looks like it has a real shine to it's coat.
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Hey guys, don't forget the red and white and black and white english dogs in a couple of those pictures HAHAHAHA, oh and not to mention the guy in one of ike's pics videoing in the back ground, (what a good looking son of a gun he is) HAHAHA. Have a good one guys.

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Hey Coop,

Good to see some pictures of you when you were young and buff, and not so soft like you are now. ;) Great photos and with that mustache I had to look real close, I thought it was Ron Burgandy. ;)

Were you ever a news Anchor man?

I guess I'm different than most because when I say "red bone" I'm talking more about a color phase than a breed.

Any solid red dog to me is a "red bone" but most people I suppose are talking about pure bred red bone dogs.

I have three dogs I call "red bones" and they are solid red, but the mother of two of them is a red tick, the father is red but of unknown descent out of Arizona... and the third one comes from a female that I'm not really sure about, but I think she's a walker or a redtick.

So the dogs are just grade, but they are red so I call them red bones. So I'm curious Dr. Cooper... are those photos all registered red bone dogs, or just color phase red bone like mine?

Ron Burgandy the red bone man!! Gotta love it!!
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