South West Manti emergency closure

[bears@uha]

Houndsman are asking the dwr for an emergency closure on southwest manti in utah their have been 12 cats harvested 7 females 5 toms and the guys who have hunted this unit for years are having a hard time finding a track. I agree this needs to be shut down and fewer tags available but houndsman should be smarter than this if you like to hunt this unit leave something for next year just wanted to get everyones opinion on this
thanks
Chet
Young

[Bplott]

CLOSE IT!!! The percentage of females is way to high!!! When are people ever going to learn to leave the females alone! The manti used to be the trophy lion units of the state now they have turned into a female killing zone!!

[Bplott]

Whats the date and time of the meeting?

[bears@uha]

thursday for shore i think 9 am ill get the time for sure and let you no

[Bplott]

Anyone interested in attending these meeting please let us kno

[BigGameHunter]

CLOSE IT DOWN!!!!! I hunt the other side of the hill and it's getting just as hard to find a track over here. Look at the numbers. It's pathetic. 5 lions killed in my unit at last check. Why? Because you can't find a track. They've killed it off.

As far as people learning? Won't happen. Somebody takes their buddy out with a harvest tag in their pocket and the first thing that goes up dies. Yearlings females or toms.

[Bplott]

Lets keep this going i will take all your input to the meeting!

[Neff]

Close it down.

[bears@uha]

since this post stared every one agrees shut it down i like it for those that disagree let us no thanks.
chet young

[houndnem]

the monroe unit is worse. the once soarce unit has been killed to extinction.over 50 percent female harvest as far as I could tell. monroe used to let 4 tags go total! now it is an open harvest????? why are we so focused on this one unit? close em all! another major problem that needs to be addressed. trappers are killing us out of lions. what do we do about that? can't belive how many trappers have told me about lions breaking thier drag and getting away with a trap on foot, and how many just pop a lion rather than let it out of the trap. not saying all trappers are rotten, because some of them have the nadds to let a lion out, but not very many of them. only thing that I can think of is to find out who's trapping your areas and let them know that if they trap a lion you will be glad to help them let it go. I would be willing to bet they kill more than we do. seems like a female or a sub can't resist that trap stink and step right in. something to think about. we also have automobile deaths, coyote callers and depredation that should be counted toward those quotas?

[bears@uha]

Jared the reason for the southwest manti at this meeting and not other units is the guys that hunt that unit pushed hard at the board meeting and the board made a motion to look at this unit if it got out of hand. From what im hearing most of the state is in the same situation hopefully at the next open board meeting we can get some better numbers on our side give us a call and let us no what you need on your units that you hunt and lets come up with some kind of proposal we need state wide input from every one as most of us hunt different units and dont no whats going on in others.

any one with thoughts about specific units lets talk and work together
Chet Young
435-671-7255

[houndnem]

thanks chet. I think one of the biggest thing we need to push for is an end to this lumping units together. When we met with the biologists last year I brought this up to them. why are we micro managing the deer herd and lumping the lions into bigger units? while suposedly they are trying to manage them together. what im seeing in southern utah is the pressure on the hard to get units is all but gone, but the units that used to be good are getting hammered! monroe mountain, panguitch lake, and beaver mountain have been completely ruined by this management plan. they are void of any trophy quality and have not the numbers to reproduce and bounce back. you cant't lump 4 huge mountain ranges together and count that as one cat herd. each mountain range is different. thanks for all your help, I'm just venting a little.

[Bplott]

You have valid points that im will to bring up... when the management plan was put together it looked really neat on paper until the plan when into effect and the dwr put numbers to it then it became a joke...in my eyes harvest objective is basically legalized poaching of lions there is no accountability no data taken other then the harvest, no tickets for wet females,or kittens. I feel the reason this plan was developed because the dwr could see the failing cat population and instead of going back to draw units as origanaly planed... once the numbers met certain criteria they wanted total elimination to make the deer hunters happy.... but in turn do not realize lions, kill coyote, porcupines, skunks, fox, rock chucks the list goes on lions actually do have value in managing unwanted critters that damage our forest and other wildlife

[LIONHOUND1963]

I'm with you guys on this!!! The lumping of units together is a complete bust and is a poor way of managing wildlife. There is no doupt that the goal of the wildlife board is to totaly eliminate the lion population. The areas that are easily accessible are being hammered to death. One of the things I have seen, is the lion populations dropping in draw units as well. I can only guess how many lions are killed on these units and turned in on qouta units.

Just as a side note we use to find a lion killed coyote once in awhile, it has been years since I have seen one. Yet, we see more and more coyotes. Go figure.

I thought the DWR guy, that spoke the other night at the banquet, will at least listen to us. Might be wishfull thinking, but I can only hope.

Rick

[mulehound]

I watch this happen in southeast Utah early in the year when the snow hits. If it's in the tree it's dead,La Sal was closed due to female harvest. Things then shift your direction . Good luck With DWR when you have wet females being tagged with no repercussion we have a long way to go.