runnin breed vs tree hound

[mark]

Larry, you sure have way with words!

[1bludawg]

The math is one of the things that shows it can't be done !

[LarryBeggs]

Talking behind a computer screen is easy. Just don't put me on the spot in person or I will trip all over myself.

[1bludawg]

I talk better in person! 541-315-1937

[Dads dogboy]

All you fellows on the West Coast who truly believe that "Running Bred Hounds" do not and can not Tree a Bobcat and do it in TALL timber are just Plain IGNORANT ! That means uneducated!

Get out of your little World....talk to Good Hunters in other areas (start with Rod Vinson on Here) and hear what is happening outside of your little, small, tiny Universe!

I do not want to read or hear about I have to work, or I am not rich, or my health precludes me from going to see other places, hell use the phone and call around. If I need to I will go get a prepaid phone card and send it along with VAcathunter, Poons, and Mr. Rod's to you so you can call and talk to men who have Running Walker Hounds who Tree Bobcats in TALL timber....may not be as tall as the Giant Sequoias I saw last month but tall enough to end this BS!

If I come across as ANGRY, you darn right I am. Those of you with Blinders, on mouthing off about stuff that others know is BS, is what keeps more folks from participating on here!

There was NO such thing as a Treeing Walker before the 1940s yet lots of Coon, Bobcats, Bears and Lions died in TALL Timber before then!

Twist, your Treebred Hounds, your Nanse line notwith standing, can Trail and Run and do fine with a Pack of Fox Hound Bred Bobcat Hounds (Walker, Trigg, or July). The problem and we have seen it in more than a few Treebred Hounds is the 2nd or 3rd time in a 12 hour period that you try to get them out of the Box for another Race.....with very few exceptions that ain't happening!

Another thought, and this pertains to a couple of other threads going on on here right now....if You Fellows on the West Coast do not find and Exterminate that GREEN EYED MONSTER that appears to inhabit the Pacific Coast, you truly can KISS your Hounds Good Bye!

PS> I see several have posted since I started typing this Tirade, Mr. Larry Well said...1bluedawg get a new calculator!

[LarryBeggs]

1bludawg , the math is the easy part. If you had dogs that were catching 30+ cat while working full time. Just think what you could have done with that extra 40 hours a week. You have had dogs that could do it. I cant repeat what my dad did because I don't hunt hard enough. I know more than one guy that lurks around on here that does it. But they take a lot of time off work and they hunt hard. They don't spend much time on here bragging about what they do.

[dwalton]

I did not line breed these dogs for 40 years the Turnners did. The running dogs have been bred into tree dogs for years even before there were such a thing as a tree dog that was not a cur. Most of our US bred hounds come from running stock. Our hounds came from across the waters, who heard of tree dogs there. All you have to do is count to 50 or more to see it can be done. For some of you with your knowledge and dogs I would have to agree it can't be done and yes if it was not for the running dogs being able to tree we would not have the treeing walkers. Andy in most cases the treeing walkers have been bred away from the style of track moving that the running dogs have{running a cold track]. Their are always exceptions some treeing walkers still move a cold track as a running dog does just as some full running dogs tree. according to Webster ignorance is lack of knowledge, stupid is slow-witted, lack of intelligence. Know which of these do you want to be considered to be. Some of the people having trouble with the math may already be classified. Dewey

[1bludawg]

Dewey you're full of it and most people know it!

[Justaguy]

Hey,

I know this is going to ruffle some feathers but here goes !

You know most of you guys are entertaining and a lot can be learned from your life time of knowledge and for the most part I enjoying reading your different thoughts and beliefs as you see them. But there are times when you guys take the discussion to the extreme and if you were a TV show I would change the channel. I know that you all absolutely know for a fact that what you are saying is the truth and only truth as you see it, because you have lived those experiences. And for all you seven day a week 24 hour a day hunters no one else could possibly have gained the knowledge you have so you could not ever be wrong ! Yea Right....

If most of you doing all the yelling at one another take a moment and think, each of you in your life time of hunting have seen for the most part every kind of dog from culls, average, good, fantastic and world beaters. And if you are honest with yourselves you will have to admit that none of those categories contain only one style of dog. And by dog I mean a breed, or color or whether the dog is a running dog or treeing dog or whatever kind of dog. Hell I have read on here where guys are taking Australian shepherds and trying to train them to tree coon. Not sure if that is true but that is not the point. The point is a good dog is a good dog and a bad dog is a bad one no matter what it's breeding maybe! And talking in absolutes as most of you seem to be will only make you wrong in the long run as there is always an exception to the rule.

So for all you guys that think that you know everything get over yourselves as you do not know everything ! Only God knows everything and unless I am mistaken he is not a member of this site ! See Absolutes ! He maybe a member and if he is I would like to know if we can hunt in the next life ? I sure hope so !

And guys life is to short to argue over such things. Next time you go hunting take someone you like with you and try and enjoy life because it will be over before you know it !

[al baldwin]

Dewey I sure am not very smart or I would not have lost so much sleep working full time & hunting hounds. I actually had a doctor tell me my medical problem was caused by never learning when to rest. But, I had enough sense to keep a steady job and build a retirement. Sure glad, now I don/t have to hunt bobcat for a living. Mark I planned to travel a little and hunt other areas when I retired, don/t wait too long hard to predict what life has in story for one. C.John I realize some running dogs can be trained to tree, also realize some tree hounds are just as tough as the running stock. I have no malice toward running dogs, they are just not as superior as some believe. You young guys take notice it can be hard to admit all dogs have faults and lose more critters than some like to admit. It is much harder to sell merchandise that is not perfect. Dewey reread my post I never said it was impossible to catch 75 cay in a ninety day period, but the stars sure have to line up in the hounds favor. I have never been a master cat hunter & certainly am not now. Can assure had I known what was planned, would not have shown up. That is just not my desire. Al

[hypsilon]

Hello,

might be a stupid question but can anybody explain me the main characteristics of good treeing abilities? Is it the aggressivity in working on game that makes the prey climb up? Is it the stamina in baying until the hunter comes to dispatch?

we have no treeing game here in Germany except pussycats and red sqirrels...

[dwalton]

hypsilon: It is good to see someone on here from another country. As always there can be a difference of opinion with people on here as to what a good dog should be. Some hunt to listen to a race, some to catch game and some just to be out enjoying life. None are wrong each has its place. You are right a good tree dog should pursue game until it trees and stay treed until one gets there. Here lies the problem there is are lot of difference in opinion but everyone thinks what they like is way it should be. Their are good and bad dogs in all breeds[faults] just as there are in people. I have been call a professional hunter, untruthful, a guy with a big ego, not humble ect.... I don't take it personal, I am who I am and I know when someone else is attacking me or anyone it says something about them not me. In years that work has been limited fur prices have been high, I love to hunt and train dogs so that is what I do. As I have stated on here each to their own and there are always better hunters and dogs if one will look for them. My writing skill are very limited so I don't come across well sometimes. On the other hand I love a good debate and will take the other side just for the sake of a good argument sometimes. AS always their are people with different knowledge and abilities and dogs with different levels of ability. If one reads post long enough it is easy to see who is who and what is so about people on here. I invite people to come and hunt with me and see what I do and how I hunt. Most people will go away some knowledge and see good dogs work. The ones that know it all already are usually the ones that are the most out spoken and will not come to see what the difference is. It is not my place to be judgmental of people. I try to say what I know as to be so. You can see that that causes a difference of opinion at times on here. I have had the opportunity to hunt most of my life, I tell it as I see it. Some people can not relate or understand and that is where the difference of opinion comes in. Their are people with far more knowledge and ability out there than I but a lot won't come on here. The best advice I could give to anyone on here is to seek those people out, leave your dogs at home and hunt with them for a while with a open mind. As always ones ability is limited by ones thinking until they are showed something different. That includes myself. Dewey

[Dads dogboy]

Hypsilon,

Nice to see you on here!

Please excuse some of the mud slinging as there is some good information hiding amongst the barbs and spears being hurled at Dewey Walton....I be that you all do not have any jealousy in Germany...hahaha!

It takes Pressure to make Game tree here in North America. Having a Hound with the Nose and Brains to "look up" and try to smell where an animal has gone when a scent trail or "track" ends is what Treeing is all about.

In smaller trees and/or with larger Game, Lions or Bears, Hounds may SEE the critter and bark Treed. Yet with the smaller critters a Hound/Dog MUST use it's NOSE to locate where the animal is.

Some animals such as a Coon will climb up a tree from the Ground. This allows the Hound to actually smell where the Coon has gone up the Tree.

Other animals like Bobcat, Grey Fox, or Squirrels will jump up as high as they can on the tree trunk before climbing on up the tree. This makes it harder for the Hound to Locate the critter. The Hound must use their nose to find an air current that is a pathway for the animals Scent. This ability is GENERALLY a God given talent and occurs naturally in some Hounds/Dogs. Training for this can be done but is more successful with Hounds who have a heritage for this ability!

Good Luck and Please Continue to visit here!

[hypsilon]

@ dogboy

thx a lot...these were the infos I expected! The heritage of following the schent of treed game is interesting me. Is this kind of similar to the "high nose" of the bird dogs? Or completly different?

[merlo_105]

All right we all know tree hounds can catch cat, and we know running dog crosses can catch cat. If you live in a large enough area with lots of hound hunters your gonna see both style of dogs catching cat where someone has good running dogs there will be someone with good tree bred dogs. Maybe one is more favorable in that region but doesnt mean its the only way... I know zero people around where I live who hunt Bob's with Blue dogs everyone has running dog cross or walkers cause thats the only way to catch cat in my area it been that way since time. Well I have blue dogs that catch more cat then all them people who said I had to have Walkers or running dogs. Now do I think Blue dogs are the best choice for my area, NO... Reason is the guy around the corner with the running dogs can do the same thing and the guy around the corner from him with tree bred dogs will do the same thing... All dogs and breed can catch in just about all area's... And for the people who catch 75 plus cats in a 90 day period if this is to be true Hats off thats hard hunting and good dogs whatever breed they may be....