runnin breed vs tree hound

[Dads dogboy]

Hypsilon,

You are right on with the "High Nose" of a Bird Dog winding and Pointing at where the bird is!

When next planning a Holiday, look at the Fly and Drive Holidays Lufthansa, Virgin and BA offer on coming to the States. We can fix you up to hunt with Good Houndsmen from VA across the South, then up across the West to Oregon. It would be a Great way to see the Hound Culture and its many variations here in the good ole U. S. of A.!

[hypsilon]

@dogboy:
Would be interesting how our wachtelhunds do this job...

Ever saw this breed?

[twist]

Deweyand Carey, have never ment to offend anyone about the running cross dogs I have just read to much where the running dog crossed with tree dog is superior on track ability and wante to know why. I would like to thank you both for your answers. Carey I know you hunted a dog with similar breeding to mine but not out of my stock as it could not hold up to day after day hunting it sounds like. The strain I have made here will hunt on three legs if they have to for the most part and can stand up to hard huntinq conditions they are a long ways from perfect but no dogs are just need to let some know that there is good and bad in all types of dogs and none are any more superior than others. Happy hunting to all. Andy

[Dads dogboy]

Andy,

We do not and have never sold any of Dad's Hounds.

Selling Hounds you have to promote them.

We do not promote our or anyone else's Hounds. If a Mexican Hairless or Irish Stag Hound could help Dad catch a Bobcat more efficiently, then we would be crossing to them!

Therefor when I write it is seldom with any agenda other than to help someone, and reflects what I have seen in 52 years of following Dad around.

I am sure you have nice Hounds that work well for where you live and Hunt. I welcome you to bring them down for a "Taste of Southern Hospitality". If they show different capabilities than what their Cousins have shown, I will shout it from the Roof Tops!

[1bludawg]

Oregon's bobcat have to be tagged at the end or each season with a tag from ODFW .THEY do it county by county .Then they can he sold.Douglas County had the largest catch with167 cat caught by 51 houndmen.Lane county was second with116 cat caught by39 dogmen.This doesn't include them trappers catch .Call me if you would like your county's numbers .These are the official numbers .

[1bludawg]

Dads dogboy,I received your reprimand about your good friend Dewey.Iwill heed your advice .

[dwalton]

Andy: I did not mean to pass over your Question so quick just had my mind somewhere else. Treeing dogs can have the same track qualities as running dogs. When the treeing walkers were a new breed just out of the running dogs you saw a different dog than I see today in treeing walkers. When Nance first started using walkers in coon hunts he came up against a lot of controversy. When he started winning most of the hunts people took notice. Nothing has changed but what people have bred for. What I look for in a bobcat dog that I find most in a running dog is its ability to move a cold track fast with head up taking scent out of the wind or from brush never coming back to the same spot to bark again, not barking off track only when they smell a cat and opening when they have a clean track a head of the others. You take a pack of dogs that run in this style and they can move a cold track quickly. If dogs only open on a clean track they will leap frog a track through the country. Catching bobcats in numbers can be done with any breed of hounds but running dogs have this trait more than any that I have seen lately. Big numbers of bobcats is done by dogs moving a cold track fast. Time and distance you only have so many hours in a day. I have said time and time again each to their own if you like it and it catches bobcats hunt it I would. There are several hunters hunting part time catching 40 to 50 bobs a year and some hunting full time catching 50 to 75 all in the 90 season. In areas of Oregon coast that is steep and brushy where a lot of people hunt. Most of them have enough sense to keep their mouth shut. Robin your numbers are just that. I hunt in several counties as well as anyone that catches several cats. If you check there are very few hunters or trappers that tag over 10 bobcats a year many less than 5. The majority of the bobcats are caught by just a few houndmen or trappers. Just maybe some people work at it harder than others or know something that others don't. It does not mean anything that one catches more that others other than they are doing something right. Dewey

[Rod Vinson]

Dads Dogboy, I don't have to tell these folks on this puter the difference between hounds and tree stock, they can come down here any time from Oct. 15th to last day of Feb. and I can show them first hand... I will let them run their hounds one day and then run mine one day... then to show em the lesson about shut up and pull up we will run em together! Nah I don't have the best cat dogs in the world and I don't sell em as well so I ain't promoting them.. just sure fact that running hounds will get it done whether it goes up or decides to be like Mike Tyson.. there is no comparison in my woods.. Im sure some good tree stock out there but it is like riding your car.... a Volkswagen will get you there but that caddy has a better ride!!! Good luck gentlemen!!

[1bludawg]

U.R.E. ,I'm going to drop the subject.Give me a call sometimes.

[twist]

Carey, want to apoligize if I came off like I was bad mouthing any running dogs just wanting to know what the track style is compared to other dogs. I am like you if it catches consistant it can be pink and have two legs and I would cross it, Iam in no way promoting my dogs I sell a few pups and they sell themselfs. Not saying they can go to your country and out do any dogs just that they can be hunted hard day after day and can hold up . There arevery few dogs that can be dropped in someone elses hunting area and conditions and do what good seasoned dogs from that area do without being somewhat acclimated . Dewey thanks for your postvery well put . Andy

[Ker_man]

This is starting to sound like it would with six preachers from different denominations in a room.
They would all agree on where they want to be..........but each would have a better way to get there

[dwalton]

Well said Ker-man. We all have an opinion, what seems to be the upset is when someone has an opinion different than ours. Some people sure seem to get offended if they hear something that they disagree with. What's that all about? Dewey

[Dan McDonough]

I've been on this board and the previous boards back to the old Shadetree. I started tuning into Shadetree about 6-7 months after it got started. The bobcat section is one of a kind and it got that way because of people with great experience coming on here and sharing what they know. Most people (this includes the folks that think they hunt hard) don't have any clue what it takes to get to the level of the handful of people that are at the absolute top of the bobcat game. A few of them come here and openly give their help. That is unprecedented in one of the most secretive sports on earth. Let's try to remember those things as we question the other folks here.

Not everything on this board is truth but there is more truth here than on any other hunting board I've yet to see...it defies the rest of the sporting world in that respect.

Most everywhere else you go you can not get the secrets your all finding here without paying someone. Maybe all of these guys ought to shut their mouth and never open it again without first seeing a nice fat wad of cash...I wouldn't blame them one bit.

[Big N' Blue]

Wow Dan, I think I am starting to love you!!! Well said!!

[al baldwin]

Dan enjoy reading your opinion, just can/t see any reason for charging any young hunter for the information gained when reading these post. Take care Al