Wendy brings another question?

[cecil j.]

Thomas, I figure your old lady would turn your nose blue alright, but it would NOT be from "completing the circuit"!

briarpatch

Oh shi32 ! That does it, the whole cotton picken CAGE is goen too get the PLUG PULLED !

[pete richardson]

its a real good question- ? lol


ive seen dogs called cold nosed that just couldnt run a track fast-- all tracks cold- / slow-

they gives cold nosed dogs a bad rep-lol - beware if dog never runs anthing but coooollld tracks- -



there are dogs with no cold trail at all in them -probably nothing you can do to make coldtrailers out of them ,its not their fault-

somebody bred them that way - lol they can probably smoke a hot one in perfect conditions-- and make you wished you stayed home when its not -

shouldnt have wait 3-4 years for a dog to start coldtrailing -lol -dogs given a chance to coldtrail at young age will get better -most just dont get that chance-

one thing im guilty of and everybody i know is --use number 1 till hes gone, then number 2 gets instant promotion- lol

-#2 might never be the same as they would have been if you given them lots of experience when young

there are different kinds of dogs that i thought were cold nosed - lol i lost a dog this winter that would strike a track a long ways from the truck seen her go farther than u might belive - start walkin a track - she would bark on that track like it was red hot -- and just walk--- as soon as she could---run full speed ---if made a loss--back to a walk-sometimes switch from run to walk , over and over-- remember ,, she struck that track off the truck -
is she cold nosed ? - or just triggered to bark real easy -- i think a little bit of both - lol she only had two speeds --full bore and barely movin lol
have had hounds 30 years - only dog ive ever seen exactly like this- i want another one - lol
ive seen a dog move a track - make pretty decent progress- but kinda slow - the main reason we used him to start was because he was straight and barked good - easy to get pack going with - had several dogs like that over the years - pretty good start dogs but sometimes seems to me that they are a little slow to pick their heads up and flat out run--just a little too happy to be coldtrailing -

on an average track ive seen another dog come off the truck and just blow by him like he was dragging an anchor- - so which one is cold nose ??

one time we were hunting two brothers -- one would definatley strike a very old track off the truck---he couldnt always start them- take his brother down there and very often hed sort it out in seconds and be gone- make it look easy-- if first dog didnt show it was old-- i wouldnt have known it lol
if first dog didnt strike it- id never had known it was there either


have seen some dogs could run an reasonably fresh track -- fast on ice or cold weather or whatever , rough conditions -, doesnt mean that they wil cold trail ,seem to have a good nose -


if i could just type a hound up - he would cold tail up very old track- always go the rite direction -start slow and move it faster and faster- make the jump and fly- lol

actually have seen/heard that happen a few times- lol not as much as id like -
i want them as cold nosed as i can get- as long as they would rather run than cold trail - -- if a dog cold trails a little too much--- teach him to come when called- --- call him off those tracks hes not moving- - you can influence them a little that way - MAYBE

[cecil j.]

its a real good question- ? lol


ive seen dogs called cold nosed that just couldnt run a track fast-- all tracks cold- / slow-

they gives cold nosed dogs a bad rep-lol - beware if dog never runs anthing but coooollld tracks- -



there are dogs with no cold trail at all in them -probably nothing you can do to make coldtrailers out of them ,its not their fault-

somebody bred them that way - lol they can probably smoke a hot one in perfect conditions-- and make you wished you stayed home when its not -

shouldnt have wait 3-4 years for a dog to start coldtrailing -lol -dogs given a chance to coldtrail at young age will get better -most just dont get that chance-

one thing im guilty of and everybody i know is --use number 1 till hes gone, then number 2 gets instant promotion- lol

-#2 might never be the same as they would have been if you given them lots of experience when young

there are different kinds of dogs that i thought were cold nosed - lol i lost a dog this winter that would strike a track a long ways from the truck seen her go farther than u might belive - start walkin a track - she would bark on that track like it was red hot -- and just walk--- as soon as she could---run full speed ---if made a loss--back to a walk-sometimes switch from run to walk , over and over-- remember ,, she struck that track off the truck -
is she cold nosed ? - or just triggered to bark real easy -- i think a little bit of both - lol she only had two speeds --full bore and barely movin lol
have had hounds 30 years - only dog ive ever seen exactly like this- i want another one - lol
ive seen a dog move a track - make pretty decent progress- but kinda slow - the main reason we used him to start was because he was straight and barked good - easy to get pack going with - had several dogs like that over the years - pretty good start dogs but sometimes seems to me that they are a little slow to pick their heads up and flat out run--just a little too happy to be coldtrailing -

on an average track ive seen another dog come off the truck and just blow by him like he was dragging an anchor- - so which one is cold nose ??

one time we were hunting two brothers -- one would definatley strike a very old track off the truck---he couldnt always start them- take his brother down there and very often hed sort it out in seconds and be gone- make it look easy-- if first dog didnt show it was old-- i wouldnt have known it lol
if first dog didnt strike it- id never had known it was there either


have seen some dogs could run an reasonably fresh track -- fast on ice or cold weather or whatever , rough conditions -, doesnt mean that they wil cold trail ,seem to have a good nose -


if i could just type a hound up - he would cold tail up very old track- always go the rite direction -start slow and move it faster and faster- make the jump and fly- lol

actually have seen/heard that happen a few times- lol not as much as id like -
i want them as cold nosed as i can get- as long as they would rather run than cold trail - -- if a dog cold trails a little too much--- teach him to come when called- --- call him off those tracks hes not moving- - you can influence them a little that way - MAYBE

Pete, the dog ya said got gone yaunder then sruck way out/ hes a compitition bred up gadget dog, and probably wanted too get solo treed up .most likely he would do a little blowen under the tree too ?! We call that in PKC laungue (horse races out of the country befor looken too start hunten) type dog, too them money hunters its sort of the norm .

[Black&TanMan1]

Im laughing so hard I believe this post should be in the laugh box If I tried that with either one my nose wouldnt be red or blue just broken
By the way pete i like what you said, I dont want old cold nosed either but want an in between if you now what i mean, No dog is 100% perfect. Either they arent the worlds best strike dog or they arent cold nosed enough, the type you want is solely up to you, the type of terrain you hunt and the abundance or lack of game in the areas you hunt.

[pete richardson]

Pete, the dog ya said got gone yaunder then sruck way out/ hes a compitition bred up gadget dog, and probably wanted too get solo treed up .most likely he would do a little blowen under the tree too ?!

oooooooo, that hurts -


-- dont think so- if she was ,luckiest dog ever born-- lol


she came off the truck ,,she knew where she was going -- just ran bear and a few cats with her -- she would really grub a cat track in snow-


she was best strike dog that ive ever owned------because she would strike a runnable track so far from road --




she was more of a winding type dog --that would put her head down and realy grub-- if that makes any sense- i dont know what to compare it too cause only one i ever had like that -

one time when she was a pup -- had our best dogs down --just a big mess - - they split and seemed to run same circle over a few times -running backwards -i dont know -

-they came back on same track they went out on
and we loaded them -
this mutt started treeing --i figured she was just wrong side of some ponds in there - she had a bear treed --- i guess it was a layup bear

maybe your rite cecil - a go yonder, kick dirt in your face n get wooded bear dog -

[david]

The coldest nosed bobcat dog I ever had, I didn't even know she had a cold nose at all until she was almost 2. Still a little puzzled at how I did not figure that out any earlier. I think she grew into her nose with use and practice.

Pete, you need to write a book and if you cant fit it all into one, then write two. I'm serious.

Reading this stuff jogged my memory on the dog I had mentioned earlier.

One reason I did not figure out she was cold nosed for awhile was because she was chop mouthed all the way, and sounded almost exactly the same on a cold track as she did on a hot track. It was embarrassing, cause if someone asked me what she was doing the answer was something like "uh... she's working a real cold track... uh, or possibly jumped... or wait a minute, uh...uh, she might be treed." She did sound different on a bay, at least.

I absolutely hated that about her for a long time, but I learned to love it, as we caught a lot of cats because of that dogs trailing ability.

She perfectly fit one of Pete's descriptions: not real fast, but real accurate, rarely ever made a loose from her second season on, and the best pup trainer you could ever hope for: (she always sounded jumped). Super tough, and could be depended on to get the cat jumped all day every day six days a week. Never complained. Great attitude. I miss her.

[wiwalkerman]

1st of all everbody has a different definition of COLD NOSE. I have never seen anything that stated if a dog can't run a track that is "X" number of hours old then it is a hot nosed dog, also if it can run a track that "X" hours to "Y" hours old then it is a medium nosed dog, or a cold nosed dog must be able to run atrack that is "Y" hours old or older.

Where I hunt bear there are so many trucks running around that if I have a dog that can take a track that is 6 hours old it becomes my cold trailer, because any track older than that probably has been tried anyway.Some guys I know around here hunt an area with less pressure their cold trailers only need to take a track that is 3 hours old because they check roads at 2:00 and start hunting at 5:00.Out west our dogs probably wouldn't be considered cold trailers because they must be able to take older tracks out there.

[Nolte]

walkerman

I think this is exactly the reason that it's tough to really develop a good cold trailer in WI. In training season the majority of the tracks are of the fresher variety, so you don't need a dog to really grind on one to get a run. Tracks are fairly plentifull, so it's not a big deal. This game all changes come Sept when you are looking for Mr. Big. It sucks bad burning up $200 in gas to find an old pie plate and then not be able to start it.

The only way I know to measure a dog's nose it to put it head to head with another dog. If one dog can get it consistantly worked out while another dog can't, then it's more cold nosed. I've watched average dogs work out an Old, Old track in ideal conditions and superb dogs struggle on a decent track in terrible conditions. So that plays a very big factor too.

I don't get too technical on all this stuff. I find a track, I put down on it. If the dogs can't take it, well then they weren't cold enough for that one. Better go find another one to try. Some dogs got it, most of them don't.

[onalimb]

Desire and nose are tied together, you can have one without a bunch of the other and still get it done, but if you lack both, there's no point. A dog that does not have a good nose compared to others, but has a high desire to catch, will grind on it to the best of their abilities. A dog with a genetic cold nose, that is afraid to catch it, or always a me too dog,might not do you any good at all. I think those two traits are tied together like I said, but I also think they are mistaken for eachother quite often.

[cecil j.]

Desire and nose are tied together, you can have one without a bunch of the other and still get it done, but if you lack both, there's no point. A dog that does not have a good nose compared to others, but has a high desire to catch, will grind on it to the best of their abilities. A dog with a genetic cold nose, that is afraid to catch it, or always a me too dog,might not do you any good at all. I think those two traits are tied together like I said, but I also think they are mistaken for eachother quite often.

Ya hit on another good point boys, as onalimb just spoke/ my thoughts was what a pleasure hunted compition manufactured stud dog trows from the PKC world. Don`t think the don`t strike on shere excitement, then turned loose andrace horse olum out of the country then fall off to look for a track and take the first one then they come acrost and get wooded/ andwant too be solo on track and tree up, cause their trasined for it and do it and bred for it now for a long time by many breeders of top PKC































money hunt dogs. Ya can take em out of the PKC hunts and ya can hand roll em usually too work and tree up with the same few dogs pleasure hunten, but the race horsen out and then settlen down too hunt is hard too break,but cn beI recond just about all things can be figured-out and change !
On a limb was correct bout the buggerbarken don`t want too catch that big game yet/waiten forthe troups too arive like the calvery/ it has happened ya know !just a passing thought on his comments and I commend him oh speaking up cause it might help some newer hunter who hasent yet figure it out and I`m not talken about any one who posted on thisforum guys, I1m talken bout the sideliners who are gleaning and memorizeing what their hearing said.

[cecil j.]

Pete, the dog ya said got gone yaunder then sruck way out/ hes a compitition bred up gadget dog, and probably wanted too get solo treed up .most likely he would do a little blowen under the tree too ?!

oooooooo, that hurts -


-- dont think so- if she was ,luckiest dog ever born-- lol


she came off the truck ,,she knew where she was going -- just ran bear and a few cats with her -- she would really grub a cat track in snow-


None of us knows exactly what ya got there we havent hunted with her, but I guess you know her every hair on her head and what she is or isent and thats good enoughf for me budd ! And ya know they tree lay up coon,bobcat,mtn. lion, and bear if their finished and got brains,nose and learned experiences too finish out into a top hound ! I`ve see Boone Shockleys dogs yrs ago, strike from insidethe dog box in the summer time on cat,with 3 inches of red clay dust in the turn of the rd. he let em out they winded and fell off the road and barked within 200 ft of the road treedup or piped in a clulvert and had bobcats both times/no track no trail just winded struck and got out from inside the dog box of his 1/2 cab pickup beded scout and fell treed up and walaha there was the cat treed up or in the pipe under the ground high an dry from the stream not folwen through the oipe level on under the roadway.
Also ole Curby Cassellberry treed 3 big bear up the same tree on a lay up wind strike and close by the road/ all 3 was adult bore bear over 300 lbers too! That was up at orlines Ca.
I roaded my 2 plott pups & 1 Calhound x Plott male up out of Guinda Ca. back in 63 and they went winding off the dirt road and just started treeing up on a wild apple tree on a flatt where a house had once earler stood I`msure and me and Happy & Lucky Green got outof my truck and walked over too the tree and I was curriouse cause my 2 plott pups was12 months old and was bugger barken treed up ? And itwas the very first time my Calhound x Plott hound at 15 months old treed up and he had a long beautifull horn dieing bawll on the tree. About 12 ft from the tree we hurd a cathudd and the rie andwild weat pasture grasses movements sounded/ and what ever it was brushed the pants leggof lucky green as it raced by him. The 3 dogs flew on by us like shot out of a cannon and wasgone overtheridge. We talked about it and went back too the dirt dusty augrd andsure nuff there wasfresh big lion pugg prints and my dog prints heading right accrost the rd and up the ridge and toped out. He must of been layed up waiting on a deertoo come too feed on the green apples in that tree !?













she was best strike dog that ive ever owned------because she would strike a runnable track so far from road --




she was more of a winding type dog --that would put her head down and realy grub-- if that makes any sense- i dont know what to compare it too cause only one i ever had like that -

one time when she was a pup -- had our best dogs down --just a big mess - - they split and seemed to run same circle over a few times -running backwards -i dont know -

-they came back on same track they went out on
and we loaded them -
this mutt started treeing --i figured she was just wrong side of some ponds in there - she had a bear treed --- i guess it was a layup bear

maybe your rite cecil - a go yonder, kick dirt in your face n get wooded bear dog -

[pete richardson]

I have never seen anything that stated if a dog can't run a track that is "X" number of hours old then it is a hot nosed dog, also if it can run a track that "X" hours to "Y" hours old then it is a medium nosed dog, or a cold nosed dog must be able to run atrack that is "Y" hours old or older.

you will never catch me saying a dog can always run an X hour old track

i seldom know how old a track is-

age of track doesnt matter as much as conditions -

--i can guess age of track with snow on the ground sometimes- its been melted and refroze - i can see it on the skiddo trail and i know there was sleds running last night -i know when it quit snowing - whatever ---ocassionaly ill see a track and guess the age on bare ground but not often-

-- one time i saw a big bobcat track on way home-- next morning,, it was way below zero-- circled woods with snowmobile -checked some other trails -- couldnt find any fresher- decided ill just let dog boo around on old track and hope to get lucky or run into fresher track-- dog took track pretty slow but went quite aways- ---i finally caught up to to him ,he was sorta bogged down -track blowed out in any open areas -- found a little small track---fresh-- it crossed my snowshoe track--cat was so small that it stayed on top of the snow in places -track barely visible - but less than an hour old-- called dog and tried to get him on it -- wouldnt stay on it - left it to work that track that i guessed over 30 hours old - that one was sinking in several inches --

so same dog ,same place- 1 track 30 hours old-- other one less than an hour lol -- thats kinda extreme but that is true story- mutt didnt do great on either one- he sure tried on that bigger cat -


morning after a cool, still ,nite with a little moisture to work with

i dont think takes any special dog to strike off truck and trail up a bear track made the evening before -- 12 hours -?? if they move it slow , we always say its 12 hours , it could be 2 lol



brite sunny day and windy noon time -- of the same day--

mite not strike a track a half hour old off the truck --



--one time-- early evening
i saw a bear cross road - next morning rigged them by there -bout 10 hours later --- got a good strike- they didn't seem to cold trail much at all
- im pretty sure bear they treed was half the size as the one i saw cross - im pretty sure it was a differnt bear that probably hadnt been across that road too long -- id guess less than an hour - lol

10 hours would make a lot better story

[pete richardson]

if someone asked me what she was doing the answer was something like "uh... she's working a real cold track... uh, or possibly jumped... or wait a minute, uh...uh, she might be treed." She did sound different on a bay, at least.

yup had same problem-- going straight away , you would swear she was treed- -

[Liz ODell]

"track barely visible - but less than an hour old-- called dog and tried to get him on it -- wouldnt stay on it - left it to work that track that i guessed over 30 hours old - that one was sinking in several inches"

Pete maybe he was trailing the older track by sight and getting a little scent every now and then...I know I see mine do that. The little track, heck thats anybodys guess, but I know around here when we have really dry or dry frozen snow and really low temps or wind, the tracks on top of the snow seem to almost get the smell blown out of them or not hold much scent at all.

I also have a female that almost always sounds the same, even my husband still asks me "whats she doing now", I usually just reply "barking" LOL

[pete richardson]

when we have really dry or dry frozen snow and really low temps or wind, the tracks on top of the snow seem to almost get the smell blown out of them or not hold much scent at all.

yup --

"whats she doing now", I usually just reply "barking" LOL

i 'm going to try to remember that one -- that's perfect