Crossing dogs

[adrich]

I have two females that are getting older and would like to get a litter out of both of them this fall.One is a Bluetick one is Walker.Ive got a male walker and a bluetick male that I will breed to.I was thinking I would cross both but was told to keep the walker pure,because they are not as hard headed.Any opinions out there.

[Calkins]

I don't see any problems with it. The best dog I ever owned was a bluetick/walker.

[Pops]

there's more to breeding than just letting two dogs *^#!
look at how the breedings match up. are they likely to produce what you're looking for? that's more important than what breed.
that being said i personally wouldn't bother to cross two breeds within the same type if the both come from working stock. i believe you'll get a better percentage of success by carefully planned pure breeding.

[Mike Leonard]

Unless the dogs are geneticly matched or you are worried about getting rid of pups that are not purebred( loose term) or registered than it is a crap shoot. I am a big time walker fan but for a lot of big game hunting I have found one of the best things your old walker can trail up is a bluetick or a black and tan for A ONE TIME HYBRED CROSS that will make you mighty happy. Jost don't expect it to go on crossing that way on down the line.

So enjoy some new color.

[cecil j.]

Unless the dogs are geneticly matched or you are worried about getting rid of pups that are not purebred( loose term) or registered than it is a crap shoot. I am a big time walker fan but for a lot of big game hunting I have found one of the best things your old walker can trail up is a bluetick or a black and tan for A ONE TIME HYBRED CROSS that will make you mighty happy. Jost don't expect it to go on crossing that way on down the line.

So enjoy some new color.

Gee Mike, I sent adrich a good to the point proper responce in a pm that was completely too his advantage, I check this forum and ya pipe bomded my messiage too/ LEAVE THE BREEDING TOO THE BREEDERS & GET A PUP DIRECT OUT OF LITTLE TOPPER AGAIN? guick Andy get a shell in your long gun our buddie Mike Lennord is trashen on one of those little gray fox`es ! hahahahahaha

[larry]

I'd cross em! the two crossed are great, better than each original purebred version, some say the litters won't reproduce, but i don't think very many do regardless of pure or mixed, only know of one strain that ALL the pups are exceptional, and they aren't walkers or blues, so why not try to make a better dog out of em. I think those two breed really compliment each other, or if you want, keep the pure walker cross and cross the blue bitch tothe walker stud. Hard headed? sounds like an excuse for lack of ability to train to me, you gotta spend time with em no matter what breed, dogs learn and please when you want them to, breed doesn'rt have anything to do with how hard you work to make your dogs hunt.

[twist]

Cecil, I am with you 100%. But as Mike said crossing a good walker back on a blue or black dog can have a great outcome but it is a crap shoot. We just might have to put a shock collar on Mike and give him a little BUZZ Andy

[Mike Leonard]

I little Buzz huh? LOL! I could use it I am sure.

No if you go into most big game hunters in the west back yard you will find many more good crossed up dogs than you will probably find straight UKC dogs. Does this mean they are better? Nope it just means that they have been ability bred rather than just crossed on another because they carry the same type of papers. Not many folks scientificly breed big game dogs or even coon dogs for that matter. What do you mean by scientific? Well trial and error and ruthless culling practices until a true genetic match and dominant cross is struck. That takes time, testing and a lot of work. Has it been done? Sure but not by all that many.

Have I done it? Not really but I am working at it. Yes I have hit on some good crosses over the years, but to get a strain that breeds truely superior dogs with the working qualities that we want takes a good bit of time to develop and then a lifetime to protect and enhance if possible. One bad outcross can ruin the whole enchalada if you are not truely honest about your breeding and your culling.

Do you want to be a hunter and have a few good dogs to go enjoy your sport?

Do you want to be a breeder and are willing to test, trial, cull and work nd commit your resources and time to doing just that?

Questions that a person needs to ask himself before he embarks on the effort of raising a litter of hound pups.

[cecil j.]

[quote="Mike Leonard"]I little Buzz huh? LOL! I could use it I am sure.

No if you go into most big game hunters in the west back yard you will find many more good crossed up dogs than you will probably find straight UKC dogs. Does this mean they are better? Nope it just means that they have been ability bred rather than just crossed on another because they carry the same type of papers. Not many folks scientificly breed big game dogs or even coon dogs for that matter. What do you mean by scientific? Well trial and error and ruthless culling practices until a true genetic match and dominant cross is struck. That takes time, testing and a lot of work. Has it been done? Sure but not by all that many.

Have I done it? Not really but I am working at it. Yes I have hit on some good crosses over the years, but to get a strain that breeds truely superior dogs with the working qualities that we want takes a good bit of time to develop and then a lifetime to protect and enhance if possible. One bad outcross can ruin the whole enchalada if you are




Not hardly very many hunters are calabered too being a studient of crossen hounds and for genorations after for 20-30yrs and those who are they have thwir special nitch in the full of things/ its far better for a young hunter too buy water from the deep well and enjoy the pure cold clear cold drink, becausethat was his whole point/ haveing a sepurior calabered pup that will be a credit not a blind alley way with a wall at a short end run !
Some think after 3-5 yrs hunten behind hounds there done and ready to start breeding their own type of hound and they just got out of kiddygarden successfully and have 12-16 yrs yet ahead of em too be accreded master trainies hunters/ cause as trainies they got another 10-15 yrs after that first 20 yrs/ just too be a well ounded studient of hounds,gaim,hunters,lines and breeds of hounds and of general knoweldge gained in game movements,populations depleeting & rebuilding, of all things cosidered in includeing DFG and studys and animal rights movements and hbis clubs and breed assco. and on and on !! It just don`t end and 50 yrs or so later your still learnen !
The bottem line, get goen woth a hunter who has abroke,fully trained hound,listen too him & get under his wing and when ready go too the well and bypass them would be,could maybe goen-too be lesser dogs !Your time,money ahead in the end and your not repeating the same things ya should of allready learned or by passed by just concentrateing onthe PLAN !I know I miss spelled and hit wrong keys but its worth any new hunters time too sit down take the time too unscribble it out to following what I`m sayen here, chances are if not that patient ya would miss it or not use it even if it was given ya easely wrote out better by me. Someone else can see whatcI`m sayen and add to it and make it were ya can read it and maybe between all of us it will sink home and help somebody thats the intent !

[adrich]

Thanks for all the opinions.You know I see alot of people with pups for sell and most of them are all backed by some kind of pedigree that don't mean much to me.We used to raise game chickens and 99% of the time it was a cross that was doing all the winning although they were never much good to breed .That is what gave me the Idea to cross these dogs.My old blue dog is a proven dog that I was lucky to get.She is every bit of a dog these people are askin thousands for.I would like to get one litter out of her as she is getting old.I understand it is a gamble with any breeding papered or not.Just wondered what people thought of blueticks being hard headed.I think knowing these dogs if it works they are going to be well rounded.

[Rockcreek]

Just remember... There weren't any Purple Ribbon, UKC,PKC, Dual Grand Walkers (Or any other breed) from an All grand pedigree on the fargin Ark!