Why Running and Running dog X are the best cat dogs

[Tim Pittman]

As far as cats getting harder to tree, when then dogs have done things right they get easier to tree in my and many others experience, but we don't jump them out either. And I don't like silent or super tight mouthed dogs any better than I like a babbler.

[pistol]

Spot

I agree with you a 100% but can your oregon cat dogs go to texas or another state and adapt over night? Your dogs are used to a wetter climate and cooler tempertures. The sent is going to be stronger and you can see a track in the snow most of the time. Your catching high numbers and have many double and triple days. Do you think u could go cold trail a cat track in a hot drier climate were there's dust and no sign of a track cause the ground is to hard to see one. It doesn't even have to be texas. It can be any other state. And this just doesn't go for Spot. This is a question for everybody posting on this thread????? Especially you running dog guys cause that is the qusetion of the post. This questions just goes to cat hunters. If anybody says yes i want a pup out of there next litter lol. I know over time a dog will adapt to the conditions but who's got that much time to go from state to state and hunt. Again my point is I'm just trying to see if these running dogs are the best can they adapt over night to these conditions. I know my black and tans can't. Ill be the first to say no. I'm just a lion/ bear hunter haha

[Dan Edwards]

Yall and your pussy ass bear and cat dogs. Come run the ultimate quarry sometime. The lowly coyote! HAHA!

[cat and bear]

Kickemall



Theres that "put up or shut up" thing you were talking about in another post. I'm well aware of the laws in California but just because I live here doesn't mean its the only place I hunt. I'm sure there are a lot closer places for you to put your cat dogs on bear and see for yourself.

Kickermall, I will be your huckely berry. I own a full trigg, and half triggs, bred to the dogs I have run for years, and they had seven bear killed in front of them last fall. Which was legal, and all the tags we had.Including a make a wish, young man. My full trigg bitch being my main start dog. I use them for cats in the winter here, and yotes. They are being used respectfully in the south for cats. Any time you want to put up or shut up, as you say, you are welcome to come here and see it done, yes sir, where they were born and raised, Wi can be as tough as anywhere. Our bear training season, starts July 1, kill season Sept. Cat december. You are welcome to come see these dogs do both. Due to your lack of respect, to mr. clay and your lack of knowledge, I will not accomidate you, but I will prove without a doubt, running dogs are used for bear or bobcat. Yes sir, same pack of dogs. I will not spend or share why or how they work, as you know it all already, reading your post. Guys like you is exactly why, I quit posting knowledge here. The best advice I can give you, is be thankful for guys with knowledge still posting here, like me, they dont have to, they get it done without the computer, and sharing their wisdom.

Sir. Im not hidding behind any post, My Name is Ron Ison, call any respectable hunter in WI, and Im sure they know the Ison name, Im the 4th generation of Ison, hunting dogs, for cat and Bear. We are known and respected here, you are welcome to check me out anytime you wish.

[kickemall]

Kickemall



Theres that "put up or shut up" thing you were talking about in another post. I'm well aware of the laws in California but just because I live here doesn't mean its the only place I hunt. I'm sure there are a lot closer places for you to put your cat dogs on bear and see for yourself.

Kickermall, I will be your huckely berry. I own a full trigg, and half triggs, bred to the dogs I have run for years, and they had seven bear killed in front of them last fall. Which was legal, and all the tags we had.Including a make a wish, young man. My full trigg bitch being my main start dog. I use them for cats in the winter here, and yotes. They are being used respectfully in the south for cats. Any time you want to put up or shut up, as you say, you are welcome to come here and see it done, yes sir, where they were born and raised, Wi can be as tough as anywhere. Our bear training season, starts July 1, kill season Sept. Cat december. You are welcome to come see these dogs do both. Due to your lack of respect, to mr. clay and your lack of knowledge, I will not accomidate you, but I will prove without a doubt, running dogs are used for bear or bobcat. Yes sir, same pack of dogs. I will not spend or share why or how they work, as you know it all already, reading your post. Guys like you is exactly why, I quit posting knowledge here. The best advice I can give you, is be thankful for guys with knowledge still posting here, like me, they dont have to, they get it done without the computer, and sharing their wisdom.

Sir. Im not hidding behind any post, My Name is Ron Ison, call any respectable hunter in WI, and Im sure they know the Ison name, Im the 4th generation of Ison, hunting dogs, for cat and Bear. We are known and respected here, you are welcome to check me out anytime you wish.

Ron did you read this thread? In my first post, a couple above the one you quoted, I said I've seen a lot of dogs that do equally well on bears and cats. My dogs are run on bear, cat and grey fox and almost every one of them has some running dog in them so I'm well aware of what they're capable of. My post had nothing to do with what running dogs can or can't do.

The point of my post was, as I said in the earlier post, that in my experience its not "easy" to tree bear with cat dogs. If you run and train your dogs on cat and bear and cull like you should then you can have dogs that are capable of both, but to say you can just take a cat dog and go catch bear is ridiculous which I'm sure you know as you run both. I'm talking about a cat dog, not a dog that has been raised and trained on both.

A far as my lack of respect I can see how you could take it that way as we're not sitting on a tailgate talking but I don't mind voicing my opinion when I read something that, in my fairly lengthy experience, is completely wrong. And couldn't it be considered lack of respect by Mr. Clay telling me that I should know the laws of the state I live in? I figure this is an internet board so I never sweat that stuff as it doesn't always come across in the context it was intended. The "put up or shut up" thing was a quote from a previous post of Mr. Clay's in this same thread about excuses which is why I posted it in response to his post. Hope that clears it up for you.

Dave Anderson

[mike martell]

Interesting thread, dang you Willie!

I own a treeing walker x running dog female and use her on bear solo all the time. Bobcat hunt the same dog all winter....I'm on the West Coast and will put up the solo dog any time....(In a bear legal environment location only) I started out with the intent to haze only with what I thought to be the lesser running dog x and ended up baying or treeing all bears I started. Now enough of a pattern to put my money where my mouth is.

Also my reasoning for eliminating the full hounds. Most Hounds can't take the hunting 7 days per week, month after month like a running dog x and trailing is not an issue over the hound, always an exception to the rule, but to me, hounds don't have it compared to the running dog cross if you hunt daily. I refuse to keep two packs to be able to rotate out the tired ones. Last fall I stayed on location most of the time for two and 1/2 months doing bear control during management season.....

When a bobcat needs grubbed, I will put the same dog up against any dog going on bare ground, snow gives a certain advantage... I would have never discovered the difference in the dogs when I was a weekend warrior....I enjoy managing bears instead of killing them and have a location chock full and deal with hundreds of bear related situations all the time and have so in the same location over the last 27 years. Pretty good place to compare with a good yardstick....Not catching is not an option, the reason I retain exclusive management rights on the ranches I manage. like making hunting television when you have about five days to make tv happen as well...

Here is the issue when switch hitting between bobcat/bears with any dog.....You lose the overall ability of a single department bobcat hound with more track straddling tendencies and a little more mouth on track and could I compete with C John, Mark, Tim or Dewey? Not quite on the same level, but I wont be embarrassed either ....I hunt to listen to the dog bark only to inform the game I'm coming and you best get movin and don't care....I have one hunting objective and that is having the most pine cones in the sack at the end of the day with the least amount of dogs in my kennels and have opened my mind to the potential of the different type of dogs used in our sport! Hunt what works for you and what you like....
Mike Martell
541-602-1398

[slowandeasy]

Mike,


Now you've gone and pissed me off. You went and added C.J. and Tim to the hereo list, and omitted CRA ( Charlie ) and Dewy. Now ya just can't show up in the middle of a perfectly educational thread and get the whole thing going catawampus!!!!


How ever C.J. and Tim, you are on my Next Best Qualified List as LEGENDS AND HEROES.

This is living proof ya don't have to have a high IQ to start a TOPIC that will live for ever with no meaningful purpose. And could my Heroes PLEASE QUIT PICKING ON ME ABOUT THE BROTHEL IGNORANCE!!!!!



Take care, Willie

[mike martell]

Mike,


Now you've gone and pissed me off. You went and added C.J. and Tim to the hereo list, and omitted CRA ( Charlie ) and Dewy. Now ya just can't show up in the middle of a perfectly educational thread and get the whole thing going catawampus!!!!

Take care, Willie

Willy

I didn't omit Dewey, I just spelled his name correctly and sorry Charlie.....Now it is an educational thread? WTH? I thought legends were determined by the total number of post on this board?

You have way too much idle time on your hands like someone else I know, (me) Time for us to get a life!!!!!!!

Take Care!

Mike

[slowandeasy]

Oh chit, Ya suppose he'll forgive me????? I'm outa here.


Take care, Willie

[mark]

Speaking of educational: After sending these crossed up potlickers of mine off for some real training by one of the real wizards on here, they now know how to read and are on here all the time. I now have no spare time as they have me flying them all over the US in the jet to see where they can and cant catch a cat. Pistol was right, they couldnt catch a cat in Texas! I think it was mostly because they kept wanting to go to Houston to some french brothel they had heard about. They werent big enough to do any breeding while in there but they did manage to piss on a few legs and make madam Blue mad! We are back in Oregon now running snowshoes.

[mike martell]

We are back in Oregon now running snowshoes.

Now we are getting to the bottom of what a running dog x is good for.....

Willy

Might not hurt to lay low for awhile and change the topic.

Now I Got to go mow my grass and try and reason some running dog logic with it cuz I'm Mr Green!

Mike

[Trueblue]

I own a treeing walker x running dog female and use her on bear solo all the time. Bobcat hunt the same dog all winter....I'm on the West Coast and will put up the solo dog any time....(In a bear legal environment location only) I started out with the intent to haze only with what I thought to be the lesser running dog x and ended up baying or treeing all bears I started. Now enough of a pattern to put my money where my mouth is.

Also my reasoning for eliminating the full hounds. Most Hounds can't take the hunting 7 days per week, month after month like a running dog x and trailing is not an issue over the hound, always an exception to the rule, but to me, hounds don't have it compared to the running dog cross if you hunt daily. I refuse to keep two packs to be able to rotate out the tired ones. Last fall I stayed on location most of the time for two and 1/2 months doing bear control during management season.....

Correct me if I am wrong but if I understand what you said in these 2 paragraphs, you have a running cross female that you hunt solo on bears ? She will successfully catch "all" bears she starts until you can get there to retrieve her off of either a bay or a tree ? If that is not impressive enough, the dog can be hunted hard on bears 7 days a week for at least 2 1/2 months straight, providing she does not get injured ? If your answer is YES to these 3 questions then I just may ask you to "put your money where your mouth is." If this is true then I want what you got.Where did this one dog bear pack come from ?

[mark]

Before you put money on it, its only fair to warn you that her mother is full blooded bluetick. Just sayn

[kordog]

Yall and your pussy ass bear and cat dogs. Come run the ultimate quarry sometime. The lowly coyote! HAHA!

the coyote is as long winded and a measure of a good dog mentally and phisically dan.even though their strong scent is a tremendous help for a scenthound.you dont see bobcats and bears running for miles strait down the highway .in many ways they are the king for measuring a dog in my opinion.coyote doesnt have the option to climb even though some have been known to.coyotes are deffinately under rated.so are the dogs that pursue them.

[Tim Pittman]

Real heroes and legends are just that, and don't need a lot of help! So this will always disqualify me from either, as I've had the priveledge to be tutored by some truly great hunters, and have friends such as Mark that are as big of priveledge being a great houndman, besides a genuinely big hearted ,down to earth, honest man. When he tells you something he means it and can take it to the bank, like a lot of the other really good dogmen I know and call friends who are definatley worthy of their dues!!
Point is to all of this is--- like most anyone they can hunt/get any breed of dog they want!! And most of them all have running blood in their dogs, the only difference is HOW MUCH !!!!!