What's the difference?

[Justin Ryder]

[Justin Ryder]

Keep dogs inside to protect them from the cold , heat , rain and to bond better and make them handle better .. what is new ? We've heard that all before and neither side gains ground or can prove the other is wrong ... those pups and dogs I posted pics of live the dream life for a dog , but they sleep outside , lol.

[david]

A hunting dog gains nothing from being in the house ...let's get that dang straight ...

Keep dogs inside to protect them from the cold , heat , rain and to bond better and make them handle better

Hmmm. you are an interesting fellow.

[david]

Justin, those truly are amazing looking dogs. It is kind of too bad the pictures are sandwiched into this thread because they deserve a thread all their own. I know there are others that would just like to comment on your dogs and ask questions about them. But they probably are worried about hi-jacking the thread. I say, go ahead and ask, or maybe we could get you to post them in a new thread so people would feel more free to find out all about them.

If their voices are as beautiful as their form, you must be in heaven out there on a crisp fall night.

If I was the show judge and you were the first to stack that puppy in the second picture, I would just tell all the other contestants don't even bother.

If you ever need advice on an outcross, just let me know. I think I can solve most of your conditioning issues with one or two outcrosses.

[jgagne57]

If a person thinks that you will acclimate a dog by tying him outside to a dog house should stick their head in the dog house and feel the heat coming from a single dog . Just as warm as being in the house !!

As for stimulating a dog there is nothing better than a kid playing and leading it around .

And for conditioning ,it's all about a proper diet with fresh water ,summer and winter !!

Dogs are like athletes and a good coach goes a long way .

I don't recall any "MMA fighters " sleeping outside to toughen them up !!

Inside or outside is usually decided by the hounds-man"s wife anyway . LOL

Growing up as a kid the old timers use to believe that petting a hunting dog was no good , that it took the hunt out of it . How's that for an old wives tale ?

[Justin Ryder]

The greatest generation of cowboys , soldiers , intellect ... they came from harder times and many did sleep outside or were raised in dirt floor houses with a dozen siblings fighting over food and with no a/c ... no fast food , no cars ... it made them strong and independent thinkers .. no hand outs back then ... the horses from that era , the hounds and gameroosters are the foundation of what we breed today and who wouldn't love to have some of that original stuff back ?

MMA fighters fight in the ring about twice a year with gloves , moutpieces and a referee and in an a/c arena .. I never learned my lessons like that .. nor do I hold them in high regard as being tough.

If you don't really want to know what your dog is made of ... then you never will...and breeding isn't based on the good nights , it's based on what is left after you tear them down and see what is really underneath.




The grass is greener ... where you water it !

[dwalton]

Justin: How old are you and how many years of hunting do you have? Just curious Dewey

[david]

and who wouldn't love to have some of that original stuff back ?


If you don't really want to know what your dog is made of ... then you never will...and breeding isn't based on the good nights , it's based on what is left after you tear them down and see what is really underneath.

I cant believe I am posting again after I promised myself I wouldn't, and asked God to forgive me.

But: No I don't really want that original stuff back, because I believe there are bobcat dogs today that are better than the dogs back then. It was a good place to start from.

And I found out it is impossible to get to the bottom of these better bobcat dogs by hunting coon, no matter how hard you hunt them on coon.

And I found out you don't even have to get to the bottom of the dogs if you hunt two dogs with the same conditioning and one dog kicks butt on the other dog consistently. You breed toward the better dog, no matter what color. And I found out that no amount of conditioning will turn a rabid tree dog into one that will sit back, test the wind, watch, listen, and think about what might be going on up in that tree. And I found out that no amount of conditioning will make a genetically slow dog into a fast dog, and no amount of conditioning can make a slick shiny coated dog into a dog that is comfortable to hunt and live in negative 20 degree weather. If you want tough dogs: breed to tough dogs.

I love your dogs Justin. And I know you do too. They are amazing and I would be proud to own one. But you and I had dogs for different reasons and for different game and in different places.

You don't tell an NFL line backer to go do some conditioning so he can play football with the kids after thanksgiving dinner. He would never tap into the benefits of that conditioning because the sport would never demand it of him. There are many dogs whose hair coat, and athletic ability, and mental capacity would be similarly unchallenged by the demands of a moderate climate and simple game.

Now, you might warn the kids a month ahead of time that Uncles going to play football with them at thanksgiving, and they better get out there in the cold and practice. And in that case, the conditioning would help them feel more comfortable, but would not put them at the same level of the NFL linebacker who did no conditioning for that particular game. And by the way, I doubt there are many depression era football players that could stay on their feet very long with him coming at them.

I believe in conditioning. I was an athlete, and love to hunt and explore wilderness areas where no vehicle or even horse can carry me. But lets remember the context of this thread.

A new hound owner comes on here and asks whats the difference? And I read into it that he would like to enjoy his new dog in the house but he keeps on hearing that you cant keep a hunting dog in the house and still have a good hunting dog. I am telling him without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, that keeping his dog in the house will not be as much of a detriment as sitting in a kennel all his life doing nothing. (And there is plenty of evidence to suggest that it could improve his cognitive potential). Ultimately, the dog's outcome as a hunting dog has to do with breeding and training. And yes, that training could be called conditioning. If he is trying to make a dog bred to be a house dog or show dog into a hunting dog, maybe better keep him outside and never pet it. (?) And maybe that is where that sentiment came from back in the good ol depression days. But if he is trying to make a house dog out of a dog bred to hunt, the dogs I have been around will not notice that they have been in a house.

[Old dog]

hunting two curs now one raised in one raised out....on the long hard races in the coastal range, the outside dog will quit wayyy before the inside dog will.....neither one will quit when ran together as a team? the best ive trained for a cat dog was inside dogs that never need an excuse anywhere..just my opinion after years of hunting with dogs

[john porter]

David wrote=== I have known dogs that refused to hunt for certain people. In fact I knew a dog that would not hunt even with his master if a certain individual was in the truck. This blue tick is one of those dogs for sure. I have let him go numerous times out on trial and he wont hunt, get him back and he is a machine for me.