I HAVE A LION THAT HAS NOW GIVEN ME AND MY HOUNDS THE SLIP THREE TIMES. HAS HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO TREE BUT IT WILL NOT,
THE DOGS WILL BAY HIM UP 4-5 TIMES UNTILL HE CATCHES HIS BREATH AND HE IS GONE AGAIN AND ENDS UP LEDGING MY DOGS UP IN THER SAME PLACE AN WE CAN NOT FIGURE OUT HOW HE IS GETTING OUT, BUT I CAN CUT HIS TRACK BACK OVER THE TOP OF HIS TRACK COMING INTO THE CANYON ON HIS WAY OUT AND HEADS RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED FROM. SO I CHECKED THE POINT WE JUMPPED HIM FROM EVERY TIME, WHICH IS THE SAME PLACE, THINKING THERE MAY BE SOME LITTLE ONES HIDDEN SOME WHERE AND I CAN NOT FIND THEM. 2 OF MY DOGS GIVE UP AFTER THEY GET LEGGED UP AND LOSE THE TRACK MY DOG PILOT WILL NOT WANT TO LEAVE WHERE HE GETS LEDGED UP, SO I SEARCH AND SEARCH AND CAN NOT FIND THE LION HID UP IN THE BOULDERS, THEN ON THE WAY OUT WE CUT HIS TRACK HEADING OUT OVER THE TOP OF HIS TRACKS HEADING IN. HELP WITH ANY IDEAS, THIS BUGGER IS ALOT SMARTER THAN ME!!!!!!
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From the sounds of it, you lose the lion in a cave of rocks or something of the sort??? Is that right? and you trying to find where the lion is getting out of the rocks? Well if your dead serious about it, you and a couple buddies can go in there and one guy stands in the hole where you lose him shinning a flash light. Have the other guys on the out side looking for light and thats where he is getting out of using the secret back door. Hope that helps. I dont know if i understood your story exactly but from what i got that would be my first try.
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the flashlight idea is awfull good,long as its not a she lio
red&whitewalker wrote:From the sounds of it, you lose the lion in a cave of rocks or something of the sort??? Is that right? and you trying to find where the lion is getting out of the rocks? Well if your dead serious about it, you and a couple buddies can go in there and one guy stands in the hole where you lose him shinning a flash light. Have the other guys on the out side looking for light and thats where he is getting out of using the secret back door. Hope that helps. I dont know if i understood your story exactly but from what i got that would be my first try.
Daniel
Sounds like a great plan if she isent allready in there and now the light flashen around in there makes her defend her cubs and your there not the dogs ! But don`t let what ifs guideyaif the plan of flashlighting it works ya have just learned a lot more than ya had allready/ I wouldn`t forget it and if ya do it I hope ya report back and let us hear on what ya found ?!
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Ha Ha Ha!
Welcome to my world.
These old super smart son of a guns can flat put it on you. Usually it is a female, but a tom cat can do the same but usually is a bit lazy about the mix and that is where it gets interesting and expensive. He will do those little run arounds and then lay back in an undercut and let the lead dog come in, and then he will try to knock him off with thier first rush, if that doesn't happen he will move way back when the other hounds come in and if they push him real hard he will hook the leaders and work on their head a bit but will look over his shoulder and then all of a sudden he bails. Some of the green hounds may bail as well and that can be bad, because he can run down a slope they can't hold up on and they may roll off a bluff . They old dogs will work around and get him going again if they can get off, but these old seasoned cats can sure be a pain.
But then again it beats setting around watching Oprah! LOL!
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These old super smart son of a guns can flat put it on you. Usually it is a female, but a tom cat can do the same but usually is a bit lazy about the mix and that is where it gets interesting and expensive. He will do those little run arounds and then lay back in an undercut and let the lead dog come in, and then he will try to knock him off with thier first rush, if that doesn't happen he will move way back when the other hounds come in and if they push him real hard he will hook the leaders and work on their head a bit but will look over his shoulder and then all of a sudden he bails. Some of the green hounds may bail as well and that can be bad, because he can run down a slope they can't hold up on and they may roll off a bluff . They old dogs will work around and get him going again if they can get off, but these old seasoned cats can sure be a pain.
But then again it beats setting around watching Oprah! LOL!
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There is a large Tom that makes a big circle that is getting a reputation....he has evaded a few attempts from a couple different guys. Bails out of tree over and over again I am told...Figure I'll just stay away from that track cause I have been hearing about these cats who can get away but haven't run into one yet and that is just fine with me....LOL
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[quote="Mike Leonard"]Ha Ha Ha!
Welcome to my world.
These old super smart son of a guns can flat put it on you. Usually it is a female, but a tom cat can do the same but usually is a bit lazy about the mix and that is where it gets interesting and expensive. He will do those little run arounds and then lay back in an undercut and let the lead dog come in, and then he will try to knock him off with thier first rush, if that doesn't happen he will move way back when the other hounds come in and if they push him real hard he will hook the leaders and work on their head a bit but will look over his shoulder and then all of a sudden he bails. Some of the green hounds may bail as well and that can be bad, because he can run down a slope they can't hold up on and they may roll off a bluff . They old dogs will work around and get him going again if they can get off, but these old seasoned cats can sure too try and set traps for the dogs in this case as presented in the above.
Mikealot of us have never hunted the rockys, and Ca in most places and Ore. and Wa. look mostly way different set up from the Rockys/ ceptfor Nev. which does have big rock mountains an sofort which might be more your style. I know just about every tom I ever seen up in the high Serria Mtns around rock mtns passes areas/ was big,walken toms and easy nuff caught with a couple of dogs/ but suddenly ya realized no their just caught up on him they didn`t catch him and he kept walker . We`d add more houndsdropedin too it and finally get him stood up down in a canyon but befor ya could get down the side of the mtn streight in towards the screaming dogs, the cat would start walken streight up out of the canyon right at me.
As in Ca ya can`t kill em ya also cant just run em and have a weapon in your possession .So getten em off the lion becomes tricky and ya got too pick the wind an shaddows and a way to intercept the moveing walking bay headed up at ya.So if it is a Tom they are haveing troubles with and they box it in without the dogs and its notthere yet/ won`t the whole way its been happening in the past now change ? Is that what your thinking cause ya warned him about a wreck could happen here.
I know they try too walk around ya even if your within 20 ft of em crossing in 3 inches of hard snow pack . and day lite.and they can do it with you hearing them crunchen snow but with young hounds ya got too keep a cool hand and head if your notvarmed and allmost on top of em and try too cut off each dog thatya can get a hand on as they come by !LOL I`ve had em walk out of Soppy Oggio Valley and cros Kitt Carson Pass and plum as the crow fly headed towards Mamout mtn over the lavva rocks and wilderness and with no tracken colars then on em they was goen 4 days getting back .Rock mtn hunten on foot is a whole different world that what some west coast houndsmen understands and I`m one of them that has little experience at successfully retreaveing dogs like that/ ya if I had a gun and wasent worryed I`d be introuble they would of been dead/ course maybe not cause the lion never much woryed bout me somehow they know when no body is tryentoo shoot em that man is no threat (maybe)
My ramblens on this don`t include what you would sujest his does/ just kill the cat or what ?He did say his dogs was young and boy a poor placed shot could get expensieve/ yep I think I now see what ya was tryen too say maybe.
Welcome to my world.
These old super smart son of a guns can flat put it on you. Usually it is a female, but a tom cat can do the same but usually is a bit lazy about the mix and that is where it gets interesting and expensive. He will do those little run arounds and then lay back in an undercut and let the lead dog come in, and then he will try to knock him off with thier first rush, if that doesn't happen he will move way back when the other hounds come in and if they push him real hard he will hook the leaders and work on their head a bit but will look over his shoulder and then all of a sudden he bails. Some of the green hounds may bail as well and that can be bad, because he can run down a slope they can't hold up on and they may roll off a bluff . They old dogs will work around and get him going again if they can get off, but these old seasoned cats can sure too try and set traps for the dogs in this case as presented in the above.
Mikealot of us have never hunted the rockys, and Ca in most places and Ore. and Wa. look mostly way different set up from the Rockys/ ceptfor Nev. which does have big rock mountains an sofort which might be more your style. I know just about every tom I ever seen up in the high Serria Mtns around rock mtns passes areas/ was big,walken toms and easy nuff caught with a couple of dogs/ but suddenly ya realized no their just caught up on him they didn`t catch him and he kept walker . We`d add more houndsdropedin too it and finally get him stood up down in a canyon but befor ya could get down the side of the mtn streight in towards the screaming dogs, the cat would start walken streight up out of the canyon right at me.
As in Ca ya can`t kill em ya also cant just run em and have a weapon in your possession .So getten em off the lion becomes tricky and ya got too pick the wind an shaddows and a way to intercept the moveing walking bay headed up at ya.So if it is a Tom they are haveing troubles with and they box it in without the dogs and its notthere yet/ won`t the whole way its been happening in the past now change ? Is that what your thinking cause ya warned him about a wreck could happen here.
I know they try too walk around ya even if your within 20 ft of em crossing in 3 inches of hard snow pack . and day lite.and they can do it with you hearing them crunchen snow but with young hounds ya got too keep a cool hand and head if your notvarmed and allmost on top of em and try too cut off each dog thatya can get a hand on as they come by !LOL I`ve had em walk out of Soppy Oggio Valley and cros Kitt Carson Pass and plum as the crow fly headed towards Mamout mtn over the lavva rocks and wilderness and with no tracken colars then on em they was goen 4 days getting back .Rock mtn hunten on foot is a whole different world that what some west coast houndsmen understands and I`m one of them that has little experience at successfully retreaveing dogs like that/ ya if I had a gun and wasent worryed I`d be introuble they would of been dead/ course maybe not cause the lion never much woryed bout me somehow they know when no body is tryentoo shoot em that man is no threat (maybe)
My ramblens on this don`t include what you would sujest his does/ just kill the cat or what ?He did say his dogs was young and boy a poor placed shot could get expensieve/ yep I think I now see what ya was tryen too say maybe.