question on deer breaking

[merlo_105]

I agree with Dewey. I have dog's that have never been shocked for off game. I have two young dog's right now that haven't been corrected. It's all about there up bringing.

[justahunter]

If you have never had to shock a dog off of trash you must have special powers.

[slobberdoc]

Some of the best dogs I've ever owned were the worst deer runners at one point in time! The key to deer breaking is to catch them in the act, progressing to stopping them the instant they think about trashing. They can smell a deer track, but they can't think about following it with the intent to chase the deer. You have to learn to think like a dog and be able to read your hound. Most any dog will learn with patience and repetition. I like to use the lowest possible level of shocking to get the point across, even if it takes several more sessions to get them to quit altogether, I don't fry them once or twice and expect them to be deer broke. Your dog is almost there, you're on the right track.

[dwalton]

All you have is breeding and knowledge, no special powers. So where are you at, lack of a breeding program or the type of dog you hunt or lack of knowledge? Think about it, just maybe there is a better way. Dewey

[FullCryHounds]

If you have never had to shock a dog off of trash you must have special powers.

I haven't shocked a dog in 15 years and I haven't had a single trash race either. No special powers, just a much better way to train a dog, and 100% guaranteed to work. 20 years ago, I got rid of my kennels. Now I have no barking because they're bored all day long in a tiny kennel, sore feet because they aren't conditioned, much better overall health and a host of other positive results. One thing houndsman arent, is very inavative. Just keep using the same lousy training methods because they were written in a book. So that must be the only way, even though you get lousy and inconsistent results. I could write my own book!
The young dog with the orange collar was given to me a few weeks ago. Has never been shocked. Another couple of weeks and he won't even look at a deer, just like the other dogs in this short clip. And he'll be 100% broke off deer the rest of his life. I've read on this site that no dog is ever 100% broke. That might be true if your using the traditional breaking methods using a shock collar. I'll be glad to prove that statement isn't true to anyone.

http://youtu.be/xU0sy2u0RyI

[HOGMAN]

He "layed down" as that was what he was taught to do, he would tell on a dog too, if they were running a deer... He definitely wasn't abused he just had a healthy fear for electricity..

[HOGMAN]

I might need to come hunt with @fullcry cause ur saying if my puppies strike something none of ur hounds will run it? My hounds are very gamey. Maybe yours are not, they love running to catch, i have seen VERY few, i would have to see your whole pack be 100% deer broke-never seen many people have dogs that were fully reliable, I have only seen 2-3 in my lifetime that were Fully trash broke from anything.. Every dog need to be checked, every once in a while, and i use a an Alpha, so it aint hard to break..

[Grzyadms4x4]

Please look at fullcry's other posts. Not to take away the correct game mindedness of his dogs meaning his dogs have been bred for a specific type of game but when you have deer in your dog kennels, back porch/yard, it probably makes it a bit easier to brake them off of deer.

[dwalton]

We all have our way of doing things and the type of dogs we hunt on the game we hunt but the point of mine and full cry's post is that just maybe there is a better way. I have ruined dogs in the past by using to much shocking incorrectly. Some hard headed dogs it makes no difference what you do to break them. I have seen it all and done it all. Just trying to save some mistakes that young people may make in breaking and trying to get people to think out side of what is common knowledge. I still believe the world is flat, especially since the government is trying to teach us it is not. Dewey

[al baldwin]

Trash beaking is certainly much easier if dogs have the correct breeding, guidance , & exposure. I have had very little trouble breaking dogs from running trash since I figured that out. My dogs have deer in the yard daily, small apple orchard within 50 feet of their kennels & that is a big help. However, to believe dogs raised like this will never run a deer, in my opinion one is kidding them self. I knew a hunter who raised a pup & fawn together in the same fence, those two seemed to be connected at the hip, later in life that dog killed the deer. Yes I have owned a few dogs that needed very, very little correction for running trash. Al

[fallriverwalker1]

what this tells me , is the first liar doesn't stand a chance ,, just my opion

[justahunter]

I know that what i do works and nobody gonna change the way i do it because it is proven to work and i did not read it out of a book. I think if your way works then great but there is way to much involved in the way u do it. I like to hunt my dogs not train them to stay home with the yard deer.

[HOGMAN]

Not trying to offend anyone but I just haven't seen this and nothing personal but I don't agree with that. I'm shocking if they trash whether y'all like it or not.


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[tigger]

Good read so far we all do things different that's for sure but I would like to take it one step further. One thing I've noticed is my pack of dogs now are a lot different then the dogs I had 10 years ago(same blood). I think this is because I understand things better now. One thing we keep hearing is that it's the strain of dog that some raise that don't trash now is that because of the handler or is it the strain. If I was to get a pup from Dewey or Full cry would I not have to teach it what to chase or would it just know to chase cats? I believe that most dogs are made not born, some are born with better tools but not given the chance will never make it.

[HOGMAN]

I agree with that quote whole heartedly @tigger. Some will develop quicker. And some won't. Them ones that are hard headed and call for the most work I've seen make some top notch hounds. That's all I'm saying.


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