Looking for new old blood

toerpe17 · Post by **toerpe17** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:36 pm

My name is Dallen Toerpe and I've been running hounds for my whole life started with my dad before I can remember. My dad was a Bear Hunter here in california but after that was outlawed he gave up the hole sport entirely. I took over his pack at that point and started running varmints. Over the last couple of years all of dad's old dogs have passed, I was lucky enough to have gotten pups out of them and most of them are between 2 and 4 now and some dandy varmint dogs. My issue is that I only kept females witch kind of screws me as far as keeping his line going. After talking to him he told me that some of his original blood came from Steve Matthes dogs so to keep his line going I would like to find someone who still has Matthes hounds who wouldn't mind selling me an uncut male to breed with my females.

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Beastmode · Post by **Beastmode** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:09 am

Where in California are you? I don’t have a male for sale but may be able to work out a stud deal. I have a high tan Trigg walker with a little Plott in him that’s almost two that is fast, trees hard and has a good cold nose. I am in Cottonwood which is near Red Bluff.

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1bludawg · Post by **1bludawg** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:41 am

That maybe hard to find as the guys who have Matthes dogs keep them pretty close.I believe Blue Milsap has dogs that go back to Steves dogs but don't know his feelings on letting pups go .He's in Northern California i believe.

david · Post by **david** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:25 am

Beastmode that is an amazing looking hound. If he hunts half as good as he looks, you are a happy man.

Dallen, you have a good looking pack. Are those the young dogs you have now? I would recommend you do some more research before you decide to try and breed back toward Steve Mathes line. His dogs were bred for lion. You are hunting varmits. Your dogs do not look like any of the Mathes dogs I have known. I would try to get some more info from your dad and see what other influences might be behind your young dogs. If there are more California varmit influences, my opinion is that is the direction you would be happier with unless you are wanting to mostly lion hunt. If you could get names of some other California breeders from your dad, chances are good you could find some of that blood to breed back into.

Beastmode · Post by **Beastmode** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:40 pm

david wrote:Beastmode that is an amazing looking hound. If he hunts half as good as he looks, you are a happy man.

Thank you. He is almost two and shows a lot of potential. He is new to running fox but that isn’t the easiest for a dog to master right away. He will strike a cat out of the box and has a good mouth on him. He is independent and only trees if he knows it’s there. He doesn’t tree just because other dogs do.

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toerpe17 · Post by **toerpe17** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:46 am

Beastmode wrote:
david wrote:Beastmode that is an amazing looking hound. If he hunts half as good as he looks, you are a happy man.
Thank you. He is almost two and shows a lot of potential. He is new to running fox but that isn’t the easiest for a dog to master right away. He will strike a cat out of the box and has a good mouth on him. He is independent and only trees if he knows it’s there. He doesn’t tree just because other dogs do.

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Hay thanks much for the feed back I think I will do a bit more talking to dad to see what else he can fill me in on and maby go talk to blue seeing how he is only about a half hour from here, also I found a gye by word of mouth who has the grate grandfather of a few of my dogs and is willing to let me breed to him so my problem may be solved already thanks again

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1bludawg · Post by **1bludawg** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:05 am

toerpe17,In the event you breed your female and have any for sale i'd be interested in one .
Robin Powell
Oakland ,Oregon
541-315-1937
I had a male out of Steve's last litter that i really liked.

Msbobcat · Post by **Msbobcat** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:17 pm

Dick Muldoon in New Mexico had Mathis dogs,he died several years ago and I know dale cole in Oklahoma wound up with them.not sure if he still does or not.

david · Post by **david** » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:37 pm

toerpe17 wrote:I found a gye by word of mouth who has the grate grandfather of a few of my dogs and is willing to let me breed to him so my problem may be solved already...

Wow that sounds perfect. I hope you can get that accomplished.

You are in a powerful position with several great females. There are so many options for you, and you have so many times to try and get things to work.

Talking to and spending time with successful line breeders is a great thing for you to do to figure out your best strategy. You probably are not far from Randy Oller, and I am sure you know of other successful breeders. But Randy is really willing to teach. Some people may not be as helpful.

It won't hurt you to do some reading on genetics yourself also. I have noticed that some of the most successful dog breeders learned their theory on birds like chickens or pigeons. So if you know a good pigeon racer or other champion bird breeder, they can sure help you know how to keep a family line vibrant.

VARMIT HUNTER · Post by **VARMIT HUNTER** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:51 am

Good looking hounds YA'LL got I need to figure out how to post pics on here.

VARMIT HUNTER · Post by **VARMIT HUNTER** » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:55 am

Just a question did any of ya'll ever hunt with a fella by the name of Paul Riggs or Keith Baker they are my older cousins, I do not think either one hunt anymore.

VARMIT HUNTER · Post by **VARMIT HUNTER** » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:35 am

They were from the Modesto, Gustine , Newman area.