What kind of fox hunting is this?

[HowardB]

After all there are no:

-masters
-red riding habits
-huntsmen
-treasures
-cap fees
-whippers-in
-horses
-hounds
-horns
-fields
-shotguns

Please see video to see what kind of fox hunting this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvZjPG5UIAw&t=159s

Would this be termed "non-traditional fox hunting" or "varminting for red fox"?
Are dogs ever used in this sport like decoying dogs for coyote?
Is a Weatherby Vanguard in .243 Win. a good rifle for fox?

[perk]

I dont wanna sound like a prick, but your post make me question do you even hunt or are you and anti trolling this website.

[Olmuleskinner]

I truly believe he is a troll. Those anti have been working hard east of the Mississippi. I really believe he is looking for the first state west of Mississippi to attack next.

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[HowardB]

I dont wanna sound like a prick, but your post make me question do you even hunt or are you and anti trolling this website.

I'm no troll and have nothing against any kind of hunting within the letter of the law. If game laws allow for the taking of fox to some degree then I would only hope and pray this wildlife management decision by government game authorities was made using sound biology. I don't condone unlawful trespass of private property.

I've hunted deer and ground squirrels, believe it or not. I'm not a big fancier of fur and predator hunting myself but respect other hunters who do it but only within the letter of the law. I would kill a fox myself if I were a a farmer and the animal were raiding my hen house. I would kill an attacking wolf, bear, bobcat, coyote or lion in self-defense or in the defense of another person or of livestock if I were a rancher or farmer.

The reason I asked the question here is out of curiosity. The men in the video link I posted here are not taking fox in the classic way most people envision, with hounds and horses, but that is not to say they are using any unlawful methods of take.

[HowardB]

I dont wanna sound like a prick, but your post make me question do you even hunt or are you and anti trolling this website.

To be honest, I've never hunted fox before. Nobody has ever shown me how. I find knowledge of it fascinating. What is "anti" about the questions asked in my OP?

If my children were to ask me questions about what is going on in that video, how would I explain it intelligently to them since it doesn't represent fox hunting as it is shown in much of children's storybooks, with hounds and horses?

I think to avoid confusion, we need to adopt proper terminology to distinguish fox hunting by horse and hound from any other method. I mean if you were to tell a bar buddy that you went "fox hunting" last Saturday by the method shown in the video with the rifle, he might automatically have visions of horses, hounds, fancy riding habits and horns pop into his mind. Many people wouldn't automatically think of "camo and rifles" whenever "fox hunting" rings in their ears.

The men in the Foxpro video are also using calls. I am just curious to learn more about what they are doing. When "fox hunting" is Googled, pictures of horses, riding habits and hounds are going to pop up everywhere.

[perk]

The vocab and way in which you speak turn me off to helping you at all. You sound like a man or woman who has no background in hunting, from the beginning calling people snobs, women antis, the ripping apart of animals, whongets to keep the carcass, etc. I still believe you are a troll. And urge others to avoid helping anyone to ruin a sport enjoyed by many to help an anti twist truth.

If you want to prove me wrong please post some pics of you and these carcasses of animals you valiantly killed with your shotgun.

Otherwise my advice is go troll somewhere else!

[HowardB]

The vocab and way in which you speak turn me off to helping you at all. You sound like a man or woman who has no background in hunting, from the beginning calling people snobs, women antis, the ripping apart of animals, whongets to keep the carcass, etc. I still believe you are a troll. And urge others to avoid helping anyone to ruin a sport enjoyed by many to help an anti twist truth.

If you want to prove me wrong please post some pics of you and these carcasses of animals you valiantly killed with your shotgun.

Otherwise my advice is go troll somewhere else!

I've only taken deer and ground squirrel with my rifle but it's not imperative that anybody here be nice to me. I was trying too be honest. I really don't know jack about fox hunting except from what I've observed on a few YooToob videos. I'm not about to play this child game of posting pictures to prove anything. Answering the question I asked about hunting fox with rifle is not going to ruin anything unless somebody is running afoul of game regs.

I will take my question of this OP to Foxpro.

Oh, by the way...enjoyed by so many.....one on line source claims there are only 20,000 fox hunters in all of America. It seems much more exclusive than polo, golf, lacrosse, America's Cup sailing or even the winter sport of curling.

God bless you merry gentlemen and good day.

[macedonia mule man]

You would be surprised what some people don’t know about hunting. I was stopped by a very young Louisiana Game Warden that wanted to know what I was hunting, I told him fox and he looked kinds surprised and asked if I ate them, I thought he was being funny and I said no , just run them with these dogs. He wanted to know why I did that and I said it’s just a silly notion I get every now and thin. I could tell by then he was serious and had never heard of running fox just to listen to the dogs. There is a huge generation gap between old timers like us that started in the 50s and are still at it and 23 year old warden. I don’t guess game and fish consider it important enough to mention when training new Wardens.

[HowardB]

I was thinking the hunting community should adopt simple standard terms for each kind to avoid confusion in talking.

How about "stand fox hunting" vs "traditional fox hunting"?

An analogy to music history. Originally, all organs were pipe organs and thus were just formerly simply called ORGANS. Later on, other types of organs were invented as pump organs, barrel organs, reed organs, accordions, calliopes and harmoniums and even more later on electric organs came about. With all these new instruments, new terms had to be established. So, the term pipe organ had to be coined so as not to confuse other organ types with the original.

Horses-and-hounds fox hunting is the original. The magnificent pipe organ in a huge stained-glass Gothic cathedral, figuratively speaking. The divine choir-like music those foxhounds can make! The picture of the man with rifle and battery-operated game call in cammies is akin to a modern electronic music keyboard. This analogy is not to cheapen or deride either type of hunting. The more modern version seems much more efficient and cost-effective than as with all those hounds and horses. A genuine pipe organ can cost millions of dollars to build. I got my Casio keyboard from amazon.com for a song!

[HowardB]

You would be surprised what some people don’t know about hunting. I was stopped by a very young Louisiana Game Warden that wanted to know what I was hunting, I told him fox and he looked kinds surprised and asked if I ate them, I thought he was being funny and I said no , just run them with these dogs. He wanted to know why I did that and I said it’s just a silly notion I get every now and thin. I could tell by then he was serious and had never heard of running fox just to listen to the dogs. There is a huge generation gap between old timers like us that started in the 50s and are still at it and 23 year old warden. I don’t guess game and fish consider it important enough to mention when training new Wardens.

I figure most of the mounted fox hunters do it for the thrill of the chase or as a social function, to show off their fancy riding habits and their braided horses.

I figure the sport rifle users do it to help with wildlife conservation and pest control. They see fox as a varmint like a coyote or a rodent. If I were to have my way on an official term for this type of fox-taking, I'd call it "western fox hunting". Most small fur-bearing varmints in the west seem to be taken with a sporting rifle in a fixed position. The term "fox hunting" alone would imply the mounted classic British and early American styles: with hounds and horses.

A few fox harvesters might even fancy a nice red fox mount in their hunting lodges.

A few farmers might shoot fox even to protect their hen houses.