Opinions on dogs that change scenary

az_gogetem · Post by **az_gogetem** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:29 pm

I am in the process of getting 3 dogs from Oregon. I've never bought a dog from outside the state other than pups.

What are some experiences or opinions that you guys have had with dogs changing states/climates/regions? I've been told I'm making a mistake, that dogs from oregon won't be worth a darn here in Arizona, but I trust the guys the dogs are coming from. I've heard stories of dogs that accel in wisconsin but can't catch a bear in utah. Just curious about other peoples experiences, it's too hot to do anything right now anyway except sit in the AC.

happy hunting.

larry · Post by **larry** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:50 pm

general consensus that I have heard is to stay away from em, super hot nosed rig dogs. I have one from Or. that is working out, but I won't be geting any more, AZ, Ut, southern Co. seem to produce some hard to beat big game lines IMO

TRACKER · Post by **TRACKER** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:11 pm

I beleive if you BUY dogs from Oregon and hunt them in AZ you'll be sorry. Az is a unique hunting hole and those dogs down there have been bred 2 hunt it and are pretty effecient at it. I'd buy 1 and try it out first. why waste money on three dogs just 2 find out if theyll hunt or not.

Most of the country isnt that much different as far as climate and region but AZ 2 oregon, thats as far on both ends of the spectrum as you can get.

az_gogetem · Post by **az_gogetem** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:35 pm

thanks for the input guys.

I wasn't really looking to add. I got a call about a litter mate to one of my young dogs that is just doing outstanding. Originally wanted to get just that dog, but the guy is getting out, and made me a damn good deal on the mother to the littermates and another older dog thats outstanding.

the mother is supposed to be a damn good bobcat dog :shock:

think that will help the odds any of her doing well down here or is it just too big of a difference?

like i said i've never bought anything but a pup from out of the state so I have ZERO experience in doing this. Just looking for input from people who had been there and done that.

if the young dog turns out to be half the dog her sister is I'd be pleased.

doug · Post by **doug** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:52 pm

Now I know that Nevada isn't Arizona,but I have taken my dogs from the wet side of Oregon to Nevada and still caught game.I think Nevada isn't quite as dry as Az.I believe it would work better the other way around.They might adapt just fine after some time.I know this isn't completely helpful,but you did ask for an opinion. :lol:

griff · Post by **griff** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:24 pm

oregon is a big state lots of climates. northern coast and south east desert are a world apart

Tim Pittman · Post by **Tim Pittman** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:11 pm

I live and hunt here and have hunted in southeast Az Warrachucca[spelling ??????] and lions get caught there just like at home only you actually get to see alot more of the dog due to the lack of underbrush.Who are the dogs coming from?
Tim Pittman

TomJr · Post by **TomJr** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:31 am

Warrachucca ? would that be Huachuca?

rockman · Post by **rockman** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:30 am

ive got a dog from washington thats supposidly a dang good lion dog, and i did my research on that dog before i got him and everyone said that he excelled best on a hard track, when i got him he ended up being just a dog. my dogs that i raised here in arizona would turn him up inside and out. if i had it to do all over again i wouldnt do it. hopefully it works out better for you i just dont want you to waste your money. good luck. if you do get them let me know how they do.

rockman

"if you ain't huntin' you ain't livin'."

Tim Pittman · Post by **Tim Pittman** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:55 am

Tom,got in a battle over that one with my wife.Thanks to the map and your response I WIN lol.
Thanks Tim

az_gogetem · Post by **az_gogetem** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:34 pm

thanks for all the input guys.

as of right now, I am planning a trip to oregon. If it don't work out oh well.

I figure worst case scenario I'll have two more rig dogs for bear.

Tim Pittman sending you a pm.

AZDOGMAN · Post by **AZDOGMAN** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:22 pm

never bought a lion dog from up there but i have bought a couple rig dogs from washington that were really good dogs but when i hunted them down here they were only average rig dogs. By the time you spend gas and time going to get them it might not be such a good deal. They should do fine in the snow i would think though.

david · Post by **david** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:03 pm

In my mind, the west coast is my bobcat dog Mecca.

Yet, my experience in removing those dogs to another area (in my case, northern great lakes area) has not been good. In fact, it has been downright miserable. I have hocked my underwear to buy dogs out there because they looked so darn amazing. Then I brought them here, put them down on a track and have them look at me like "are you kidding me?" They never would whole heartedly run these cats, and If I had not seen them in their home territory, I would have absolutely KNOWN that I had been severly taken by the seller. I would have been absolutely wrong, but that is what I would have thought.

One of those dogs was a male from California. I dont hunt males, yet, I had to have this dog after I saw him and his littermates hunt. That dog looked at me with resentment for as long as I kept him. He did nothing but shiver until I finally sent him back to another hunter in his home territory, where he again did fantastic.

I know of another hunter who has brought several dogs out from Oregon/Washington, and out of several, one of them did outstanding out here. It was small, black in color and mixed bred. The others did no good at all.

So who knows???? I hope it works out for you, what ever you decide.

pups are a different story.

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:31 am

It is pretty hard for me to give any real advice on dogs from there. I have hunted Arizona a good deal but not much in the northwest. I have hunted north western Idaho but that is about it. I do know I have had guys bring solid good older cat dogs from Michigan's UP to my area and put them down on a night old track when it was really cold and very little humidity and they could do anything but watch as my dogs trailed off into the distance. Now I know these were good honest dogs and I really beleive if the were aclimated to the area for a bit they would have worked it. But moving up to 6000 ft. elevation in that high extreemly dry cold air they couldn't smell a chili turd on a snot rag. In other words they were stuck> So if you get some from a diversly different climate, altitude, or humidity. It may be best to give them some time to get use to the surroundings. But if they are good dogs they will settle in and probably do a decent job. Dogs are dogs in Maine or Calidornia. It just has to do with what kind of dogs they are and the training. Some are different, but they usually can get in touch with the area before long. I would guess they get use to it quicker than we humans that make a big move do.

david · Post by **david** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:37 pm

Mike, I agree with you, except that some dogs never do make the adjustment. Or maybe another way to look at it is, they do not have the genetic make up to allow them to make the adjustment.

I scouted a dog for a man. She looked amazing in Oregon. I told him everything I saw, and he bought the dog. jShe would not do a thing in the northern Great Lakes area. A couple years past and I saw the dog sitting on his chain. He did not even hunt the dog anymore because she was worthless in his opinion, yet it is hard to cull a dog that you paid a fat six figure price for.

I traded him for the dog with a 200.00 pup. I kept her till she died. She had by far the most beautiful voice in my pack, and she did finally adjust enough to make a good rig dog, but as far as putting preasure on these bobcats, she never was worth a darn.

I would put her out on a cold track just so I could listen to that beautiful music once in a while, but she never did a thing to help me catch a cat other than rig it. This dog was Lloyd Basey's lead dog, and he only ran two dogs: a lead dog, and a trainee. I could not have even bought her if his trainee was not almost to the point of being finished. She caught a lot of bobcats in Oregon. She had plenty of opportunity to catch them in the North Woods, but never once did.

I could give a few more examples, but they say the same thing. Some dogs never will make the adjustment for whatever reason: be it genetic, mental, emotional, physical, environmental etc.

On the other hand, there are some areas that it seems bobcat dogs can leave from and do well in certain other areas that are not similar from the one they came from. It is still a mystery to me.