Idea from the black and tan section

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:28 am

Why are ?:
Plotts Growly?
Walkers tree fighters?
Black an Tans , Blueticks so slow ?
English and redbones not worth a crap?
And curdogs just wannabe's ?

Please answer these questions for me.

Grzyadms4x4 · Post by **Grzyadms4x4** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:17 am

I will answer these in order from my own limited experience.
1. Plotts: Would you be pissed off and growley if you were born a Plott?
2. Limited experience here, but my walker isn't a tree fighter.
3. Blacks and Blues seem to always be real leggy, so they have to move real slow to follow the track.
4. My two Redbones are pretty good, not perfect but they make up for each others shortcomings and are getting better each time.
5. Again limited experience, but from people I have talked to they can track, bay, and get game as good as the rest.

I hope I helped.

larry · Post by **larry** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:29 am

Smiley wrote:Why are ?:
Plotts Growly?
Walkers tree fighters?
Black an Tans , Blueticks so slow ?
English and redbones not worth a crap?
And curdogs just wannabe's ?

Please answer these questions for me.

I'll give it a shot

Plotts are growly because they are sick of waiting for the BT's and blues to show up at the tree
Walkers tree fight when there are no plotts around so they don't have to worry about the plotts finishing it when they start it
BT's and blues are slow because they know there is no point in hurrying, the plotts will have it in the tree when they get there
english and redbones aren't worth a crap because they see the BT's and blues following the plotts, so they know that it will be all over by the time they put it all together
cur's are wannabe's because some of em are brindle like plotts.

Hope this clears it all up for

Spanky · Post by **Spanky** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:41 am

Why are ?:
Plotts Growly?
Walkers tree fighters?
Black an Tans , Blueticks so slow ?
English and redbones not worth a crap?
And curdogs just wannabe's ?

I can only go off of limited time spent with some of the breeds but I feel alot is due to the breeding practices that has taken place for each.

Plotts here in the west are usually bred for big game and everyone wants a fur puller therefor more breeders breed their agressive hounds rather then focusing on other traits like trailing or treeing. I see more plotts used on bears then I do on bobcat or lion.

The older lines of walkers do not have this problem. Walkers today are being bred for the competition hunts and to hold the tree. Hot tracks are the key and their cold trailing ability is lacking but once they get to the tree its theirs. Again the cause of the breeders.

Blueticks and Black and tans, well the one's I have been with are slow but that is because they are used mostly on big game and have some cold noses. I have been around several that were used in nite hunts and they were of different lines and they moved tracks as well as others in the cast.

Have not been around many of the last 3 to make a far assessment. Just my observation.

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:32 pm

This was my attempt at humor.
From my personal experience and observation tree fighting and growly dogs are more often than not allowed to become that way .
I know plenty of gritty fur grabbing dogs that have no growly bone in their body and i know plenty of tree grabbing dogs that are not tree fighters. My opinion is that most dogs that go over in these 2 catagories ussually it is becouse the handler let the dogs get away with similar things when the dogs were young such as at the feed bowl or allowed to brislte up and stiff leg other dogs. . I guess often times these dogs are just to much dog for most people .
I also believe that there are plenty of blktans and blueticks that can move a track and good redbones and english to.

Nolte · Post by **Nolte** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 4:53 pm

I always thought plotts were pissed off and growly because they had to put up with their owners.

I don't worry so much about the paint color, just the engine. Most times it's a miracle for me if it just runs. Forget Nascar.

Larry Roberts · Post by **Larry Roberts** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:41 am

Calor dont matter,there are fast and slow,good and bad in any breed

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:45 pm

Man you are brave on this one, and to tell you the truth I don't know the answer I reckon none of them are any good. LOL!

Sorta like saying all red headed gals are hots heads, brunettes level headed but slow and hairy legged, and all blondes are dumber than a box of rocks. Hmmmm?

I saw a gal in Houston the other day that had bright purple hair on one side of her head and bright orange on the other side. She had enough piercing and metal hanging in her hide to look like Bill Dance's tackle box. The lip stick she was wearing was black, and her skin looked like she was covered in whitewash. She got on the same elevator I was on so I asked her what she did for a living. She said, man can't you tell by my outfit I am a musician? I said well excuse me but I am from the country and I thought you might be one of those new fangled models of shark bait. LOL!

Calkins · Post by **Calkins** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:45 am

Plotts haven't been a very well managed breed in my opinion.

Walkers AREN'T tree fighters.

Not really had many problems with a Bluetick nor a B&T being slow. I've got a B&T that is gettin' older and is a tiny bit overweight and she's always real fast on the track.

English I've always thought were good.

Redbones I think learn a little bit slower then the rest.

I don't know a whole lot about Curs but I've seen my share of silent ones in my day.

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:16 am

Forgive my attempt at humor earlier, but this post is another excercize in futility. Yes as much as each of us would love to qautify all those things we have heard, and the wonder of it all . Well it won't happen here, and enlightement is still a few steps away.

Allow me to elaborate: after nearly 40 years with the hounds and hundreds passing thru my kennel, and countelss days, and nights, and miles on the trail I can truthfully tell you don't brand one breed of hound over the other. Why you say? Because the day will come that you will be the fool, yes the village idiot, because dogs just like humans do not all shake out the same.

Just because you are double German decent does not assure you absolute discretion or power, ( that has already been proved.)Just because you are Russion and very well trained does not assure you of the wrestling medal at the Olympics.

I can recall a little mutt blue bitch that showed up at my place one time. She didn't even have a background.Yes she appeared slow on the track, yes, she didn't like to tolerate being crowded in a dog box, and yes she was just sort of a be there and bark once in awhile tree dogs. Why she should have been culled with the rest of her litter. Except for one things: she could and would put her nose down on dry clay and sand and lava rock, and let me know she smelled the passing of a cougar. She would work relentlessly for hours, and never look back, and she would find that lion if possible, and then wait at the tree till I got there. Nothing fancy, not without faults, but just like you and I born into this world, and given a purpose. Old Belle made the most of what she had, a whole great big bunch never even get the chance.

R Severe · Post by **R Severe** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:39 pm

I'd have to say the answer to every question is----- people.
Someone was responsible for letting the parents make puppys

For the exceptions to all those same questions---- good breeders, or lucky breeders

Calkins · Post by **Calkins** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:13 pm

Great post Mike.

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