starting a new bloodline

[coondogger80]

I posted a question on the cat hound section of this forum, but thought it was probably a good idea to post here as well. If I were to take a regular hot to medium nosed coon hound, regardless of breed and type of hound and were to breed it to a cold nosed bloodhound, wouldn't that be a good starting place to try to develop my own breed or line or bloodline of cat dog's?

Now, I know there are many, many other attributes that you must take into account when it comes to breeding or starting a line or bloodline of dogs, but, seems to me this would be the starting point. Then later after the first or second initial breeding, you could begin to line breed and breed outside dogs into your line to start to develop the other attributes that you desire to see in you bloodline?

[jimmylee]

Cliff
Its a start.Use your own dogs and you don't have to use all bloodhound
for your cross.50/50 will work don't go below 1/8.For big game use
big game lines and good working bloodhounds.stay away from the show
type bloodhounds and competition lines.
jimmylee

[coondogger80]

So, say, after the first breeding and litter, crossed with a male bluetick coonhound and a female bloodhoound. If I were to take a pup from that first litter, and breed it back to the [i]female[/i] bloodhound (the mother) would the next litter be twice as cold nosed or would that litter be just as cold nosed as the first?

[Mike Leonard]

You guys gotta be kidding. Right?

[bad moon]

im with mike breed has nothing to do with cold nose it is all about blood lines not breeds espically were 99% of blood hounds are show bred pieces of shit. i am wanting to learn about majestics but you guys are way off. and why start with a hot nosed hound when so many quality cold noses are around. even then a cold nose comes from experiance as well as breeding. a bloodline should start with the best of the best not improve on medium, and always remember even two top dogs dont always make top grade puppies. alot of work comes into making good strains and line breeding is key....

[nmplott]

just look for majestics that already meet your specs, no sense trying to reinvent the wheel.

[jimmylee]

cliff,
by all means use the best you can get.But if you like what you have
you can inprove on it.One of my best hounds is a50/50 cross.He will
tree bear,cat or coon.
jimmylee

[Mike Leonard]

The ingredients of this soups have been mixed, stirred, boiled, eaten spit out and recreated over and over again. If it was thaty easy to pick a dog by type or even working qualities and then make the crosses and the adjustments accordingly we would all be hunting the cat's meow, if you will.

I am sorry but the cross of the bloodhound that came into our tree breeds a hundred years ago was a whole lot better than you are going to find by pimping and bribing the inmate keeper at Huntsville State Penitentiory. It ain't happening folks. You will hit on a bit now and then but truely better hounds come thru careful sceintific breeding , hard hunting and culling ruthlessly,. the stock our forfathers already sacrificed blood sweat and tears over. It is pretty hard to re-invent the tire when you are parked next to the Goodyear plant.

Now then I will admit you can do a little bit of work and create a dogs that looks pretty much like the ones that Dale Lee and even Ben Lilly had in the pictures. BUT THAT DON'T PUT NO CAT HIDES ON THE WALL.

[bad moon]

very well put mike it is hard to improve when perfection has been created it is much less difficult to reap off the work and irony of those before us than to copy there results. good dogs are here it is up to us to keep them going not re create them

[Vance M.]

Good thing about them 1/2 bloodhounds is that they are so big you can ride them out of the woods when your done hunting. Saves on gas

[jimmylee]

good points.But do think hounds are better now than they were twenty or
thirty years ago?Just go to a few nite hunts.Their is less and less people
breeding hounds for good noses theirs more competition lines infuse into
all breeds.I guess thats okay if thats what you like.

[Vance M.]

You wont find big game hounds at the night hunts. The competition hunters breed for what they do and they big game hunters breed for what they do

[jimmylee]

Yeah but it use to be different.breeds have been back sliding because
of breeders breeding for that type hound reverting the breeds back
to fox hounds.

[Mike Leonard]

I really don't think they are reverting back to fox hounds because the treeing instinct is stronger now than it has ever been. Yes it is true they have bred for a super quick ( automatic at times) strike dog that trails very little but can locate quick and lock down tight. This scores a lot of points in thick coon country, it also eliminates a lot of useless cold trailing while your partners dogs are locating layups and kicking you behind on the score card. Now this means little to country coon hunters like I use to be that skinned 500 coons a fall for market, and it means nothing to the old boy that goes out and has to deal with a 6 hour old bobcat track, or a 24 hour old lion track, but you drive the kind of rig that is going to get you there the best way.

No sense trying to re-invent the whole ball game. The best you can do is figure out just how in the heck and what in the heck you are going to hunt. And then set down and think about what kind of dogs gets it done the best. Not what you think may be best but what has proven over and over to bring home the bacon. Then go get some of that and then start your program or preserving or even improving on that. It's 2008 ,Bill Jordan may come up with a new pattern of camo to make you run to the store and just have to have it so you can get your big buck. But when it comes to hounds if you can turn their tails into a three prong plug, and hook them up to 110 or 220 maybe you can illuminate things but other than that go with what is working best in your area, and then you have a good starting point.

[bad moon]

like they say there is only one good hound in this world and every houndsmen owns him...