Foundation Quarter Horses

Dry-Run · Post by **Dry-Run** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:56 pm

Hi folks, really nice to hear about the different mounts that people
use. Leaves me with a question or two though.

Question 1. How is it people are riding "Foundation" Quarter horses.
I thought Three Bars,Poco Lena,Rocket Wrangler,Weisencamps Skipper
W, Peppy,Leo Etc,Etc. were all dead A L-O-N-G time ago?

I've must be brain dead and haven't got the word on the NEW line
of foundation horse.

Question 2. Has anyone hunted off a Tenn Walker or another of the
gaited horses? And shod for real riding not that show stuff with
4X4s naileled to thier feet and trainded to lift thier feet 3 ft. high in an exagerated stride. Just a well trimmed foot shoes or no depending
on the condition of the ride and with the gait and stride they were
born with. Its been my expierence that they will flat put a hurt on
a qtr horse when it comes to moving along the trail. When I ride
with any other horse you have to constantly hold it back or wait
for the other horse to catch up. Only problem I see with them for
hunting is that there kinda tall,but they take long steps so I guess
on cancels the other. What are y'alls thoughts on this.

Dry-Run

Nora Cook · Post by **Nora Cook** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:09 pm

Foundation Quarter horse.

A quarter horse that is NOT to have more then 20% TB blood in it.= 80% true Foundation Blood. The stud I breed to was 100% foundation stock breeding. His top side and bottom side was all Poco Bueno breeding.

Three Bars was a Foundation STOCK horse. He was a thououghbred out of The Stud Persentage Three bards is not allowed into the Foundation Quarter Horse Reg.

It is kind of strange but keeps true to the working QH not the racing QH.

Some people I live next to breed Walkers/QH for all there pack horses. They love them and have been breeing them into the family for 5 gen's now. I guess the family realy likes what they have. I do not know how they shoe them sorry.

Dry-Run · Post by **Dry-Run** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:16 am

Thanks Bluegirl,
I do appreciate the info. Well I guess our Reg. Qtr Horses are
foundation? We own 4 generations of a old horse out of Music Mount.
Bred her to an Oregon stud, Bueno Bar Leo off of Impressive Bueno
(Never ended up with that bad gene Impressive threw) Rebred the
mare to Terrible Eric off Terrible Scotch an then to The Sasquatch.
We ended up with a stud that threw really nice horses, not really a
performance horse as it had no reining or roping bigtime blood,But
it threw a very very calm collected, nice footed and withered horse.
It must have gotten the speed from the combo of Terrible Scotch
who if I remember right is a son of Rocket Wrangler and The
Sasquatch.

Anyway thanks for the info as you can see we've been out of the
new blood for quite sometime now but they're good animals
and nice to be around.

Have a great time ---Dry-Run

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:01 pm

Good information Nora.We do not stress the foundation percentage in our horses, but we do lean heavily on them in the crosses we make. No doubt Three Bars, and Leo had as much impact on the breed as a whole in the early days as any. The crossing of the TB stock horse blood onto the foundation which we may refer to as the start at the King ranch with Wimpy P-1 and continues today still in many bloodlines thru the King and Poco Buenos and such really made for a superior working animal and thus the American Quarter Horse remains the most popular breed in the world, and has the largest registry there is.

As for the Tenn Walkers I have a pretty good bunch of experience with them. I was hired by a rancher one time that raised stock bred walkers and sold them all over the country to show folks, and bird hunters. We used them on the ranch as we also ranch about 500 of mother cows.In all fairness I would have to tell you I love the breed, and really enjoyed riding them. they did fine in the badlands and hills we were in, were big enough for heavy ranch roping although they lacked the quarter horse burst of speed and agility, they did fine. They were very gentile and calm. Some of them tended to be a little on the ugly side I thought because they are prone to large heads and a bony type frame. the show fat slick black high stepperes are one thing but an old walker out on the range looks pretty much like semi cold blooded sclogger to me.

I have a good freind here and he and his wife take their walkers all over the country and ride and really enjoy them. I am very surprized they are not more popular than they are with western hunters.We just tacked shoes on them and trimmed them like any other horse and they keep their feet low and that old running walk just shuffles the dirt right along.

Remember saddle pals Trigger and Champion wonder horses of the silver screen were both Tenn. Walking Horses.

Happy Trails...

HoundDawg · Post by **HoundDawg** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:04 pm

I owned a horse until it died of old age, and it was an American Foxtrotter with some draft horse crossed in back a ways. He was a bit too big for me to climb on and off easily, but he would flat cover the country.

Kind of like Mike said, he wasn't the most handsome horse, big headed bastard... but nobody I ever rode with saw much of his head, all they saw was his ass end pulling away from them.

Don't know much about them except for the one I owned. I have two horses now both go back to Three Bars, and one that's a Doc Bar bred horse.

I don't know anything about the breeding or the lines, I just want 'em to do what I ask and if they do that they can keep eating at my place.

Oh, and I also have a miserable piece of crap Appy horse and I know the breeding on her... Satan himself is the sire and the dam is Medusa, the mistress of Darkness.

Nora Cook · Post by **Nora Cook** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:53 pm

HoundDawg

That is too funny :lol:

R Severe · Post by **R Severe** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:27 pm

Dry Run
I'm new here but spotted your post pertaining to Music Mount.
My brother used to work for Herman And Helen Snyder, the owners of this great sire. I used to go help him clean all the stalls on Saterdays just to eat Helens cooking.
I started a few Music Mount colts and liked them, quick learners and would give you their all if started right.

Good to hear ol Bucks name again. RS

sow flat slim · Post by **sow flat slim** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:59 pm

Them Music Mounts could be some good horses. Had to watch them as a lot of them could be some good buckers

cecil j. · Post by **cecil j.** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:56 pm

Dry-Run wrote:Hi folks, really nice to hear about the different mounts that people
use. Leaves me with a question or two though.

Question 1. How is it people are riding "Foundation" Quarter horses.
I thought Three Bars,Poco Lena,Rocket Wrangler,Weisencamps Skipper
W, Peppy,Leo Etc,Etc. were all dead A L-O-N-G time ago?

I've must be brain dead and haven't got the word on the NEW line
of foundation horse.

Question 2. Has anyone hunted off a Tenn Walker or another of the
gaited horses? And shod for real riding not that show stuff with
4X4s naileled to thier feet and trainded to lift thier feet 3 ft. high in an exagerated stride. Just a well trimmed foot shoes or no depending
on the condition of the ride and with the gait and stride they were
born with. Its been my expierence that they will flat put a hurt on
a qtr horse when it comes to moving along the trail. When I ride
with any other horse you have to constantly hold it back or wait
for the other horse to catch up. Only problem I see with them for
hunting is that there kinda tall,but they take long steps so I guess
on cancels the other. What are y'alls thoughts on this.

Dry-Run

Yea dryrun, I`ve rode tn walken horses that was not blocked up under their hoofs and shodd like any mtn trail hores and they rode good easy gated ride and had plenty bottem under em! They was a little iffy or knott headed around big game while hounds was fihten the game, but they was ok around hounds in general and coon hunten at night . I`m talken bout them 14.2-4 hand tall jobs/ not them johnny walker 17 hand tall jobs !
Back in eastern tn. and border states they har highly prized mtn trail horses and one bred on too a jack donkey makes for the perfict mule in my humble openion anyways.

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:53 pm

Sow Flat Slim,

You ain't wrong brother ! Whew! Music Mount, Glitter Mount! Hot Dog make you barf out your breakfast burrito after having to cover one of them groaning, bellering bucking sob's tearing up a half acre of New Mexico sagebrush when you just want to go huntin.

$hit fire man some of these show winning bags of alpo could make old Casey reach for another tug on that old bottle of Lord C. !!!!

sow flat slim · Post by **sow flat slim** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:17 pm

Yep, you sound a little bitter there Mike

I used to have a little sorrel mare that was Music Mount and Doc Bar bred and she was a pretty good pony, good little cuttin horse and good for gatherin cattle,But, you just never knew when she was gonna fire, and she could sure make a man take a deep seat and a far away look in his eye. I rode her a lot and actually liked her pretty well and you always was well mounted, but you knew somewhere along the line she was gonna bust. My Dad liked her a lot( except when she was firin)

so he bred her several times to a nice little stud he had at the time and all them colts was just like her, good horses when they didnt test you, but wanted to kill em when they did test you. He always said, ah Hell they dont buck to bad, and I would always bring that up when He was hangin on the side

cecil j. · Post by **cecil j.** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:29 pm

sow flat slim wrote:Yep, you sound a little bitter there Mike I used to have a little sorrel mare that was Music Mount and Doc Bar bred and she was a pretty good pony, good little cuttin horse and good for gatherin cattle,But, you just never knew when she was gonna fire, and she could sure make a man take a deep seat and a far away look in his eye. I rode her a lot and actually liked her pretty well and you always was well mounted, but you knew somewhere along the line she was gonna bust. My Dad liked her a lot( except when she was firin) so he bred her several times to a nice little stud he had at the time and all them colts was just like her, good horses when they didnt test you, but wanted to kill em when they did test you. He always said, ah Hell they dont buck to bad, and I would always bring that up when He was hangin on the side

I had faturity horse a direct son (stallion) of Hobby horse and had5 mares all between 5-6 yr olds with heel and head over em and they wasa King Ranch blood or part Go Man Go or another race qt horse 3 Barrs & Sugar Bars bloodlines back in the mid 80`s ! My wife loved em and I boughtem for her and was stuck feeding em, and all the rest that goes along with that . The only 2 I like of the bunch tat I felt was of note too me as for mtn trail rideing horses/ was the colt stud I had casterated and named after his sire as Driften Hobbie and his half brother but out of Go Man Go/ and this horse also was nowguilded named Slim .\
Give me a mule or a morgain, or a Tn.Walken horse for hunten behindhounds and big game ANY DAY them fatiruty lines is different cut of horse not for mtn trailing sure nuff said ride & pack animals that are usually sound ! NOT ALLWAYS NOT SOUNS though.

larry · Post by **larry** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:46 am

prefer something that is 7/8's thuroughbred and 1/8th quarter horse to cool em down just a little. That combination has it all IMO, speed, endurance, and heart. It is a horse that won't weaken til his heart explodes. Geldings only, never saw a mare that was worth feeding 365 days a year, and I never will.

cecil j. · Post by **cecil j.** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:14 am

larry wrote:prefer something that is 7/8's thuroughbred and 1/8th quarter horse to cool em down just a little. That combination has it all IMO, speed, endurance, and heart. It is a horse that won't weaken til his heart explodes. Geldings only, never saw a mare that was worth feeding 365 days a year, and I never will.

Yea mares are dinks usually and will get ya in a wreck especially this 2 eyed jack bred sorrell I had named jacky/ LOL she was pretty nice but you could count on it, get around anyone while your rideing and she turns into this buck-a-rue job that just wont stop bucken/ she bucked rocken chair ride but she was headed for a wreck in about 3 minutes/ya better jup-off ! She then was ok and as I remember she didn`t bunch up under ya less it was her time too put on a show !go figure she thought she was just cute and the queen of our mare hurd and led the pack !