bobcat dogs

[raisersedge]

What bloodlines and breeders are consistantly turning good bobcatdogs. NOt lion dogs that will catch a bobcat now and then but a track grubbing hard locating dog that can and will have the desire to go above 50 cats a year. Not interested in hearing about Oregon coast dogs but true bobcat dogs. Who do I look to for my next prospect.

[david]

raisers edge, you gotta let us know what area you are from.

the Oregon coast dogs ARE true bobcat dogs. But if you dont live there, you will want to find the true bobcat dogs for your area.

[ryan goodwin]

raisersege if your looking for true bobcat dogs then your statement about oregon cost dogs is not to smart becouse most of the true bobcat dogs i have ever hunted with where ethier from washionton our oregon and i do know people in both states that have true bobcat dogs so wher are you from

[mike martell]

I THINK THE REFERENCE TO OREGON COAST DOGS IS ON THE MONEY. YOU HAVE GREAT TRAILING CONDITIONS. MOST OF THE TIME COMPARED TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE STATE. MOISTURE , FOILAGE .MANY FACTORS. THE EAST SIDE YOU HAVE DRY ARRID , DESERT CONDITIONS. TAKES A GOOD DOG TO RIG A DESERT BOBCAT. MIDDLE OF THE ROAD DOGS ON THE COAST GET THE JOB DONE. CAN GET BY WITH WAY LESS OF A DOG AND FALL FLAT ON YOUR FACE WHEN YOU GO EAST. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I NEVER HAD THOSE FROM THAT AREA,HARD TO FIND GOOD STRAINS FOR BOBCAT AS MOST PEOPLE REFERENCE A LION DOG AS A CAT DOG. MANY OF THOSE LION DOGS CAN'T TREE A BOBCAT IF THERE LIFE DEPENDED ON IT

[david]

I totally understand your point Mike, and Raisers edge, in fact you guys have both just now quoted some of my posts in other threads. Not that you would have to be quoting me, as we are just stating the same truths.

But Mike, I gotta tell you, When I lived out there I hunted the coast: I am talking the COAST not the Cascades. (and not the Southern coast). My sorry dogs were catching about 30% of the jumped cats in the heavy salal and rhododendron jungles and the thinning at the coast where those little seedling trees absolutely grow like weeds to 15 feet or so, and they cut them down and leave them lay, like weeds. Those same sorry dogs, when I took them to the cascades or the oregon high desert were 100% on jumped cats. Maybe I just got lucky, because I did not go there often. What do you think? The cats were not all that hard to find, and when I did, I caught them.
The races were short and very uncomplicated, particularly in the desert.

AND, that same line of dogs that I rejected as coastal bobcat dogs, were hunted by cascade hunters and got the reputation of being good bobcat dogs. Never heard any of that news from those who strictly hunted the coast. They could not and did not make the grade on the coast.

Maybe we are thinking of a different Oregon coast. Hope so.

So anyways, Raisers Edge, where you from.

If you are wanting 50 bobcat per season dogs, You must be living somewhere that has a lot of cats and a reasonable season. There is not a 50 bobcat per season dog within at least 300 miles of where I live. Our seasons last 4 or 5 weeks and we are allowed 1 to 3 cats per state if you are lucky enough to draw a tag in a couple of them.

So until we know your region, I guess this is a lot of meaningless talk.

[Nolte]

David

A 50 cat dog is a heck of a lifetime number for a dandy cat dog round these parts. I've never had one even close. I'm just lucky if I can get a cat race once in awhile.

[U.R.E.]

I think a “good” cat dog will acclimate to conditions, terrain and styles that a bob runs if they are consistently hunted in a changed area. One thing every “good” cat dog that I have ever hunted behind is, is SMART!

[mike martell]

DAVID , THE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS STRICTLY NOSE ON A HOUND .I KNOW THE COAST WELL FROM NEWPORT SOUTH. THE REFERANCE WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. AN EXAMPLE I HAVE IS A GOOD FRIEND WHO IS RETIRED WHO EVERYONE IN THE U.S. HEARD OF LIVED ON THE SOUTH OREGON COAST. HE BRED FOR GRIT, AND ALL WHITE DOGS HE ACCELLED WELL IN THOSE AREAS. BUT AS MY OWN OPINION HIS DOGS LACKED NOSE. I MADE MANY HUNTS WITH HIM. LOVE THE GRIT BUT NEVER WANTED ANY, HE DID NOT NEED NOSE BECAUSE YOU COULD START BEARS THERE WITH A POODLE. MY GAME IS NOSE. BRAINS, SPEED ,THE HELL WITH COLOR. EVEN BREED , YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO FIND THE GAME BEFORE YOU CATCH, YES IN MY BACKYARD OR THE FOOTHILLS OF THE CASCADES IS A CAKE WALK COMPARED TO RUNNING THE COAST. MAKE WHAT EVER CASE YOU WANT , WHEN I GO TO ARIZONA AND HUNT I DEMAND A DOG THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO TRAIL THE HARSHEST OF CONDITIONS , REMEMBER SMART IS GOOD BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND EM !

[david]

REMEMBER SMART IS GOOD BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND EM !

Mike I think we agree on most points.

Remember though, we are talking bobcat and not bear.

You hunt with a Sam on the coast and realize that every single bear his dogs look at, your desert dogs could also look at. But if you think that every bobcat that a Tommy's dogs look at will also be looked at by your desert raised dogs, you will be very, very disappointed. If your dogs look at 10% of the cats Tommy's dogs look at, you have some very, very fine dogs.

To say that Oregon coast dogs are not real bobcat dogs is, well...

I could say that an Otter is not an effective predator because it is clumsy and slow and could not catch a rabbit. But put it in it's element, (water) and it is one of the quickest most graceful predatory mammals I know of.

The Oregon coast dogs have not worked well for me in Minnesota. They might not work well for you where ever it is that you hunt. But Please, lets not agree with those who would say they are not real bobcat dogs. Any one who would say that has not taken their dessert raised dogs to the central or northern Oregon coast to try and catch a bunch of bobcats. There are dogs that do it. Yours wont.

Oregon Coastal bobcats: You have to find em, but if you cant catch em after you find em, you just have a heck of a good job of cold trailing, catch the dogs after you get tired of hearing them run all day, and go home thinking what a fine job of cold trailing we all witnessed.

I gotta look in bobcat eyes once in a while.

[coastcathunter]

I have taken my coast cats to the desert just north of Nevada and we seemed to do just fine. One thing to remember is moisture is nice for trailing but when you are getting a bunch off it the sent is getting washed away quickly so you need a decent noised dog that can move a track fairly quickly if you want to hunt the coast consistantly and not wait for the good days. There are plenty of other areas in the u.s. to get good cat dogs.

[Spanky]

raisers edge, you gotta let us know what area you are from.

the Oregon coast dogs ARE true bobcat dogs. But if you dont live there, you will want to find the true bobcat dogs for your area.

Agree with most of your staement but in my opinion I have to say that oregon bobcat dogs are true bobcat dogs in oregon. I have seen my far share of true oregon bobcat hounds come here in montana and watched them stand on their heads when it came to our conditions. Dave is absolutely right if you want a true bobcat hound find one that is out of true lines in your area.

I think a “good” cat dog will acclimate to conditions, terrain and styles that a bob runs if they are consistently hunted in a changed area. One thing every “good” cat dog that I have ever hunted behind is, is SMART!

As for acclimenting I also agree with that to a point. Competition coonhunters are constantly shipping their hounds to areas of a big hunt weeks in advance to be hunted in the area prior to the hunt to allow for acclimation. Some hounds it works but some just do not have the nose to accliment to other areas.

I have hunted my hounds in Montana, Idaho, Utah and Arizona on lions and bears. Depending on the hound depends on whether I am in the race or not. Every hound is different, it has nothing to do with what state they are born in but rather they have the nose for the state you are hunting in. Just my opinion.....

[redneckwoman]

Great post Spanky...
I just talked to a friend that sometimes travels back and forth to the coast here in OR and his dogs do fine on coon but weak on bobcat there...but do fine on bobcat in the desert...I think even a great dog might need to acculate to climate change, etc... to some degree...people do, so why not even the best dogs? Dogs are amazing in their own right...but I think people forget even themselves have to gear up or get in some sort of shape or mind thought when going to a 'different' state or country to hunt...so why not dogs? Just my thoughts...hell I have to work out a week before I head to the lake after all winter!

[justhoundin]

If anyone is getting the impression that I am trying to get pups out of my bitches and someone elses males and use someone elses name to sell them that is not the case.

I had planned to make a cross out of one of my buddies bitches back to my red Rucus dog and if anyone is interested in those they can have one, but the bitch I am going to breed in the spring is pups that I am going to keep aside from one guy in Arizona that I told I would trade a couple pups to and one to a good friend of mine in Vernal that give me the idea to breed to a outside dog. I am defenitly not trying to sale pups with someone elses name thats CRAZY I dont need pups that bad. People saying stuff like that just causes problems that dont need caused, like I said I had planned to sale pups out of of one litter because I dont need that many pups at one time, but the bitch I have planned to breed in the spring the pups out of her are not going anywhere but to the people I said. I guess I should be more clear I guess, and say excactly what dogs at excactly the right time I will be parting with so people dont get the wrong idea, the way one prson interperets some things is sometimes totaly different than the way other people do. The best way not to get the wrong impression is pick up the phone and call me my numbers are always on here. Thank you all, and good luck on your future hunts

[Melanie Hampton]

If you want to put real bobcat dogs to the test hunt them in north east utah or well any where in utah for that matter. Nine mile canyon, bookcliffs,

My dogs have successfully hunted in the Bookcliffs for a few years.. Bobcat and Lion.. They have even been complemented by the utah/coloraho hunters over there and we have sold pups into that area that do well.. In fact I generally like having the dogs hunt over there... Seems to put them at the top of their game...

Not too bad for a bunch of no good, deer running Potlickers...

Haven't tried the other areas though...

[justhoundin]

The bookcliffs is by far the best unit to hunt for numbers it is probably the easiest one of all the units I hunt to catch a bober in. Any time you can catch a bobcat you need aplause so it sounds like you have some pretty nice hounds, good job, and good luck on your upcoming hunts ladycathunter.

Richie Zaccardi