I am from TN and want to get my coondogs on cats as well there is not whole lot of cats around but theres a few good populations in areas around here I have coon hunted all my life so running hounds and training them is nothing new to me but traing a cat dog is so need all the advice I can get all my coondogs are young oldest being a 2 year old red bone gyp can do it on her own also a 1 year old red tick gyp still needs help and a 8 month old airedale male the greenest being the airedale who honestly shows more interest in cats the coons so far any way guys what do i need to do from here would it be bad to get the young dogs going on barn cats I really have great expectations for the airedale he has a big loud mouth as good as any hound and does open on track andis really working good so far in these ridges and mountains well guys I hope I made sense as to what I am asking any and all advice is greatly apriciated
Tony
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Hipshooter
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Cat dogs
Lots of hunters now days want to hunt bobcats as the bobcat
population has increased in recent years.
Catching bobcats is the untimate in trail hounds.
When u can catch bobcats on a regular basis u are a master houndsman.
I know a few of these guys.
Their program is this.
Start hunting at 4:00 AM, hunt till it gets to hot, go home sleep till
one hour before sunset & go again for a few hours.
Do this every day that the weather is right.
I hunt with some of these guys & they catch 300 cats a year. This is in high cat population areas of the south.
I hunt with one guy that has a 40 hr job.
He hunts every week end & every evening after work for a few hrs.
You think these guys have good dogs u are right. These kind of dogs can,t be bot, they are just not for sale at any price.
The dogs are mostly running dogs bred for cat hunting for many generations back. Only one or two in a pack will tree, unless they can see the cat. With small trees dogs can usally see the cat.
1/3 of cats will tree, 1/3 will get caught on the ground, 1/3 will hole.
I have hunted with these guys & on a good day we have caught 2 to 3 cats. The 3 states that I hunt in have cat season the year around.
The guys that say bobcats are hard to catch u are right, but it can be done, with lots of effort.
Most of these guys are old retired guys, & they will not hunt with u
as they don,t wan,t to put up with somebodys trashy dogs.
Bobcat dogs must be 100% trash proof no exceptions.
Some of u young hunters this is what it takes to catch bobcats on a regular basis on dry ground.
Hope this helps some guys on what it takes to be successful cat catcher.
population has increased in recent years.
Catching bobcats is the untimate in trail hounds.
When u can catch bobcats on a regular basis u are a master houndsman.
I know a few of these guys.
Their program is this.
Start hunting at 4:00 AM, hunt till it gets to hot, go home sleep till
one hour before sunset & go again for a few hours.
Do this every day that the weather is right.
I hunt with some of these guys & they catch 300 cats a year. This is in high cat population areas of the south.
I hunt with one guy that has a 40 hr job.
He hunts every week end & every evening after work for a few hrs.
You think these guys have good dogs u are right. These kind of dogs can,t be bot, they are just not for sale at any price.
The dogs are mostly running dogs bred for cat hunting for many generations back. Only one or two in a pack will tree, unless they can see the cat. With small trees dogs can usally see the cat.
1/3 of cats will tree, 1/3 will get caught on the ground, 1/3 will hole.
I have hunted with these guys & on a good day we have caught 2 to 3 cats. The 3 states that I hunt in have cat season the year around.
The guys that say bobcats are hard to catch u are right, but it can be done, with lots of effort.
Most of these guys are old retired guys, & they will not hunt with u
as they don,t wan,t to put up with somebodys trashy dogs.
Bobcat dogs must be 100% trash proof no exceptions.
Some of u young hunters this is what it takes to catch bobcats on a regular basis on dry ground.
Hope this helps some guys on what it takes to be successful cat catcher.
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
cat dogs
One more coment.
Any one of these guys that catch a lot of cats will tell u that they do not have a dog that will catch a cat by them selves.
It is a team effort on the dogs.
The guys I hunt with never turn loose less than 6 or 8 dogs & when 2 guys hunt togeather it is 10 or more.
Hunting in deep snow is a different kind of cat hunting than dry land.
Don,t get confused here.
Another coment.
The average coon dog type hound do not make good bobcat dogs.most are to slow on the track to make the cat do something like make a mistake.
second.--- Tree type dogs loose to much time around the places that the cat marks trees, These type dogs will false tree a lot witch usally blows the race up.
The team effort is like this.
A Dog or two that are very good start dogs & cold trailers.
A dog or two that can move on out an find track after the start dogs get it going & can really move a track at a very fast pace.
A dog or two that can pick up looses fast & keep the track going.
A dog or two that can locate & tree.
Most dogs will have 2 of these traits, but very few have all traits.
Any one of these guys that catch a lot of cats will tell u that they do not have a dog that will catch a cat by them selves.
It is a team effort on the dogs.
The guys I hunt with never turn loose less than 6 or 8 dogs & when 2 guys hunt togeather it is 10 or more.
Hunting in deep snow is a different kind of cat hunting than dry land.
Don,t get confused here.
Another coment.
The average coon dog type hound do not make good bobcat dogs.most are to slow on the track to make the cat do something like make a mistake.
second.--- Tree type dogs loose to much time around the places that the cat marks trees, These type dogs will false tree a lot witch usally blows the race up.
The team effort is like this.
A Dog or two that are very good start dogs & cold trailers.
A dog or two that can move on out an find track after the start dogs get it going & can really move a track at a very fast pace.
A dog or two that can pick up looses fast & keep the track going.
A dog or two that can locate & tree.
Most dogs will have 2 of these traits, but very few have all traits.
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Re: Cat dogs
is that an axageration. three bobs in a day is a little far fetched if you ask me. three lions i could see, but not bobs.Hipshooter wrote: I have hunted with these guys & on a good day we have caught 2 to 3 cats. .
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Shorty
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How about 7 or 8? South texas has more bobs than anywhere in the USA. These guys don't cold trail anything. If the dogs do hit a cold track they call them off and keep roading the dogs. Usually within a mile or so your running a hot one. I know it's hard to believe but my father-in-law's dad cought 350-400 bobs every year. Thats all he did and it was not uncommon for him to catch 7 or 8 cats a night.
Joe Rufus Lyne was his name and he had some real bobcat dogs. He ran running walkers and hunted the hell out of them. That is all he did, and I mean all. He'd be gone from home for weeks at a time and hunting all the while. His dogs didn't get much rest except for the ocational nap when Joe Rufus couldn't stay awake anymore. Half hour nap and he was good for another 3 or 4 hours.
I know most of you won't believe these numbers. For those of you who have hunted south texas, you know what I'm talking about. If you can stand the rattlesnakes and all the stickers and thick brush it's a bob hunters paradise. You'll also have to get permission to hunt the land because it's all privatley owned down here.
Joe Rufus Lyne was his name and he had some real bobcat dogs. He ran running walkers and hunted the hell out of them. That is all he did, and I mean all. He'd be gone from home for weeks at a time and hunting all the while. His dogs didn't get much rest except for the ocational nap when Joe Rufus couldn't stay awake anymore. Half hour nap and he was good for another 3 or 4 hours.
I know most of you won't believe these numbers. For those of you who have hunted south texas, you know what I'm talking about. If you can stand the rattlesnakes and all the stickers and thick brush it's a bob hunters paradise. You'll also have to get permission to hunt the land because it's all privatley owned down here.
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montananative
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well, i may beleive you if your numbers if they did not contradict themselves. if he put up eight bobs a day/night then by 50 days he would have 400 bobs, what about the rest of 310 days in the yr that this guy hunted.
in mt your most likely going to be chasin bobs in the snow, that wares you down somethin fierce, and you only have daylight to run, A) cause youll freeze to death at night in the run season, B) its illegal to run cats at night in mt.
wish i could put that many bobs up though, would be a good income...
in mt your most likely going to be chasin bobs in the snow, that wares you down somethin fierce, and you only have daylight to run, A) cause youll freeze to death at night in the run season, B) its illegal to run cats at night in mt.
wish i could put that many bobs up though, would be a good income...
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Re: Cat dogs
,this fella is for real,but he is doing it were there is actualy that many cats,i have picked this mans brain for hours, and is a great welth of info,and he has pictures to show it
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Well montana native if I didn't live down here and get to see it with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it either. If you payed atention I never said he cought that many cats every night of the year. That is not an unbelievable number down here and thats all I'm saying. Every place you hunt is different. There are roads all over this country and you never have to walk far to a tree. If he hunted your country the outcome would probably be way different. I'm not trying to knock anyone I'm just saying it is very possible down here. Flat land with lots of roads and a ton of bobcats makes it alot different than mountains with snow and a few roads. If you ever get down this way you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. He's not the only one that could do this, all you have to do is put in the time and effort and have some good dogs. In this country you'll catch lotts of cats if you have all of those put together. I didn't expect anyone to believe me when I wrote this but it is a fact. If you must find out for yourself just come on down.
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A man is not very smart that can,t find his wife 2 jobs.
And any wife should be able to support her man and a pack of hounds.
Never shock your dog off bad game
untill he knows what good game is. - Location: Kansas
Bobcats
Shorty,
It is hard to believe cats are this thick.
Freer Texas, has the most I ever seen.
I have been driving down the highway there & seen cats
just setting in a tree like a bird, & they will cross road in front of u like a rabbit sometimes.
The most I ever caught was 7 in 2 days. It had just rained 4 in & the trailing was perfect for the dogs & this was in western Okla.
When the weather is right , dogs will catch a lot of cats.
When weather is very dry or windy, u might just as well stay at home.
The trees in south Tex are only 8 or 10 feet tall. I have seen dogs get up in tree & make them jump. Only chance cat has is to hole up down there. Cats are harder to catch as u go north. Bigger trees, & bigger & stronger cats I think.
Shorty, your inlaws sound like a died in the wool cat hunter.
After u start catching cats it becomes a obsession to out wit the little buggers.
It is hard to believe cats are this thick.
Freer Texas, has the most I ever seen.
I have been driving down the highway there & seen cats
just setting in a tree like a bird, & they will cross road in front of u like a rabbit sometimes.
The most I ever caught was 7 in 2 days. It had just rained 4 in & the trailing was perfect for the dogs & this was in western Okla.
When the weather is right , dogs will catch a lot of cats.
When weather is very dry or windy, u might just as well stay at home.
The trees in south Tex are only 8 or 10 feet tall. I have seen dogs get up in tree & make them jump. Only chance cat has is to hole up down there. Cats are harder to catch as u go north. Bigger trees, & bigger & stronger cats I think.
Shorty, your inlaws sound like a died in the wool cat hunter.
After u start catching cats it becomes a obsession to out wit the little buggers.
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well i guess the flat ground makes a huge difference, but thats alot of cats. if you see 40% of the bobs you dump on up here you got yerself some top notch dogs. we have lots of roads, but that dont mean crap if you dont have a snowmachine to buzz em (which i dont) cause if i try and take my pickup on em, 9 times out of ten ill be buried in 4 ft of snow... sound like a much different game up here. i know u said he didnt tree that many everynight, but just play with the number; even if he treed two a night he would have 600 cats in a yr, so through in a couple 8 cat nights that changes your average signicantly. im not tryin to start fights or nothin, just say the obvious.
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Hipshot,
Freer is only sixty miles from me. Joe Rufus was from Goerge West which isn't too far from Freer either. He was damn sure a die hard cat hunter and spent a good fifty years doing it. The ranches were alot bigger then and he had permission to hunt them all. If he asked if you wanted to go for a round dont expect to be home for a week. If you wanted to come home sooner than that it just pissed him off. A round to him ment to cover a good portion of South Texas.
He was one of those guys that knew when and why the cats were moving. If they weren't moving he'd simply park in the shade and turn his truck off for awhile. He never let his dogs cold trail one either, it was a waiste of time to him. There are enough cats here that he'd call his dogs off a cold trail and keep on roading. It doesn't take long here to get a track going and believe me his dogs knew how to close the deal. Wouldn't they all if we had the time to hunt like him. He hunted ten dogs at a time and they were rock hard and stricktley business.
Freer is only sixty miles from me. Joe Rufus was from Goerge West which isn't too far from Freer either. He was damn sure a die hard cat hunter and spent a good fifty years doing it. The ranches were alot bigger then and he had permission to hunt them all. If he asked if you wanted to go for a round dont expect to be home for a week. If you wanted to come home sooner than that it just pissed him off. A round to him ment to cover a good portion of South Texas.
He was one of those guys that knew when and why the cats were moving. If they weren't moving he'd simply park in the shade and turn his truck off for awhile. He never let his dogs cold trail one either, it was a waiste of time to him. There are enough cats here that he'd call his dogs off a cold trail and keep on roading. It doesn't take long here to get a track going and believe me his dogs knew how to close the deal. Wouldn't they all if we had the time to hunt like him. He hunted ten dogs at a time and they were rock hard and stricktley business.