hunting cougars with one hound....

[southwestwalkers]

Just wanted to get the pulse of how many of you are out there hunting with one hound?

Robb

[Josh Kunde]

well I plan on bein with a couple buddies alot, but I'm sure I'll be out by myself with just one dog when the time comes.
Josh

[montananative]

i prefer hunting with my friends and their dogs but i will and have dropped with one dog. shes bout 2.5 and i and i got another thats seven weeks, so he wont be much help till next yr.

[Mike Leonard]

Many lions are treed by one dog and even if you have several out there many times it is that one doing the bulk of the work.

However I prefer a few more for music and vaiation of abilities and also if you get to hunting an area that has a spoiled alion or two in it especially older toms many times they get rather bold and when the dog gets up close they will go into ambush mode on one dog and kill them. I have seen that happen a few times and it sure puts the one dog hunter out of business quick and is a real heart breaker.

[southwestwalkers]

I agree. I also want to add that it's critical when hunting one hound to keep up with him as best as possible. I know I do with mine.

This makes it a little safer for the dog and leaves a little less time for the big cat to figure out he has only one hound on his heals.

If a hunter is going to sit back and wait for a tree switch to go off before he moves his ass then he is leaving that one dog in a dangerous situation. It's a death wish for your hound.

Again, I'm talking hunting with one dog only.

Robb

[twist]

Have treed many cats with just one hound but it sure dont hurt to have a few more in on the fun.

[southwestwalkers]

Thanks everyone for the great info...

Robb

[larry]

wouldn't hesitate to hunt only one dog, lions are not bears. If you are gonna have a problem with a lion killing your dog, he is gonna do it wether there is one or four dogs turned loose. The extreme majority of the time when a lion causes the death of a dog it is a freak situation that would not have been avoided by having more than one dog turned out. If I absolutely had to catch a lion, I'm only dumping one dog to do it. Too many dogs and you just might walk into a stretched lion. If you can keep up with your dog after he has gottten close enough to let a lion know he is being pressured, that is an amazing feat that i would love to see, or you need to get a different dog. even more impressive that you can stay close enough to let the lion know you are chasing him too.

[southwestwalkers]

Larry,

Staying up with a dog is a matter of perspective. I can tell you this I'm not just sitting back at my rig waiting for a tree signal. I'm also not scared to do some good hiking to stay as close as possible to him, be it may be several miles. If that seem like a amazing feat to you.... well what can I say.

Anytime, you wanna see me or my dog and test you and your hounds lungs come down to southern Arizona's Huachuca or New Mexico's Sacramento or Sierra Blanca Mountains.

You'll see for yourself first hand if I need to get rid of my dog at about 7,000 to 10,000 feet above sea level. You and your hound have a open invitation friend.

Thanks for your input..

Robb

[larry]

[quote="southwestwalkers"]Larry,

Staying up with a dog is a matter of perspective. I can tell you this I'm not just sitting back at my rig waiting for a tree signal. I'm also not scared to do some good hiking to stay as close as possible to him, be it may be several miles. If that seem like a amazing feat to you.... well what can I say.

Anytime, you wanna see me or my dog and test you and your hounds lungs come down to southern Arizona's Huachuca or New Mexico's Sacramento or Sierra Blanca Mountains.

You'll see for yourself first hand if I need to get rid of my dog at about 7,000 to 10,000 feet above sea level. You and your hound have a open invitation friend.

Thanks for your input..

Robb



Hmmm... not exactly the same thing that you said earlier. I agree that you are better off to run the race if possible and practical, but I don't agree with your version of doing it. You are not a super hunter and you cannot keep up with your dog to save him from a quick fatal mishap. How exactly does you trying to keep up with your dog ("be it several miles, and a matter of perspective") give an old tom cougar less time to figure out just one dog is chasing him??? Trying to stay within earshot is a pretty difficult feat at times, let alone being able to influence the quarry with your presence. Your method is a good one at times, but your theory on what it will acomplish is retarded. As for your invitation, I could care less what you and your dog can do at 7-10 thousand ft. Some people live at those elevations As far as turning one dog loose without giving chase being death, ha ha, go get educated. Obviously there is not alot of experience behind your statements.... 243 is not enough gun either huh

[southwestwalkers]

Larry,

Boy you get your kind on every website just some blow heart that knows it all that wants to stir up trouble. Who are you to judge or pass judgement on anyone? Sorry, this is a great place to post about hound hunting and I won't pulled into a pissing contest with you. I have a life.

As far as getting educated your the only one who lacks in that department friend that and probably a few others. I won't take the time to spell it out for you. All I will say is that I try to minimize the time I leave my hound at the tree. Everyone tries to and most do. I do my best to keep up. I don't sit back and wait to get a tree signal and then start out looking for him. I start out trailing soon as he cuts a trail and do my best to keep up. Be it my rig or boots friend.

It won't take a big tom long to figure it's just one 55 pound hound at the base of the tree. I try to be there before he does. Maybe, read this post a few times so it gets through your dense skull and you'll figure out what I'm saying

Anyway, I'm done posting on the subject. Have fun with twisting what someone says. I hardly claim to know it all. I'm smart enough to know when you think you do your really in trouble. I learn everyday and always will.

While hardy inexperienced I'm hardly the most experienced hound hunter on this site and I'm hardly a no it all. Again, I don't claim to be and I'm smart enough to know what I don't know and my limitations. The most experienced hunters on this site know who they are and I have leaved much from them. I thank them often.

As far as you do you even own a hound? Got any pictures? Have you hunted or harvested anything? Talks cheap friend. I got photos. I think your a fourflusher who tries finding things wrong that people say so he can correct them and build himself up. Fourflusher

This is a great site with good folks and I won't get pulled into your BS. Take your axe to grind somewhere else and grow-up.

Also, I own a .243 dum%$$ I just don't like using a flat shooting longer distance rifle with a 50mm scope for a shot of less than 25 yards. I never used it to harvest a lion with a 70GR bullet up close and I don't plan to since it's not set-up for it. I plant yotes at 250 yards with my .243. I didn't know the damage it could do up close on a cougar since I never did it? I use my 30-30 with iron sites for lion hunting and for closer in shooting my Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag scatter gun.

What was the big deal about that? So I never shot a cougar sitting in a f%$*ing tree with my .243 and a 70GR bullet. Again, grow the f*$k up

Thanks again everyone else for your input its great. Sorry to lose my cool but they will allow anyone on these sites.

Done with this post.

Robb

[larry]

Well, now that you have managed to explain what you were trying to say, and not make yourself look like a super hunter, I agree with your theory, but still feel that there is an extremely minimal amount of danger for one dog under a treed tom. JMO Not trying to be anything other than helpful to others myself. Can't stand watching someone make the statements that you have made for beginner houndsman to read and believe, like the one that says the 243 would be insufficient in your opinion, why even ask the question and comment about it if you never even planned on using the 243? Lion calibers are pretty common knowledge to lion hunters, or didn't you know that?(if your 243 is not set up for tree shooting, get a smaller caliber that is ), or one hound turned loose and left to run the race without you would be tempting death. Words of knowledge right there

the variations of your statements and their meaning seem to point to you as being the builder upper, I just can't stand hearing the crap that comes out of your mouth repeated by someone who doesn't know better. I do not know it all by a long shot, and as you said, niether do you, so how about you comment on the things you do know about and leave the rest of the advice to people that seem to be a bit more qualified. By qualified, i mean people that at least know what caliber of gun will dispatch a lion.

[southwestwalkers]

We agree to disagree lets just leave it at that. This all boils down to opinion and what has worked for you or I. This site is not for calling someone a lier or unknowledgable because they have there way of doing things that work for them and maybe not you or I.

Opinion and what works for different folks is the basis of what this site is about and life in general. It's been fun. No harm done. I'm sure your good people. Confused with all I saying but good people

best of luck, Robb

[mike martell]

BACK IN THE DAY OF LION HUNTING IN OREGON, I TREED AROUND 150 LION WITH ONE HOUND. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. SINCE OUR LOSS OF HUNTING THEM WITH HOUNDS THINGS HAVE CHANGED. I FREE CAST MY DOGS IN AN AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE MULE DEER WINTER GROUNDS. I HUNT BOBS, I CATCH AND RELEASE SO I HAD NO WEAPON ON ME.BUT AS YOU WOULD EXPECT YOU RUN AND TREE THE ODD LION.RECENTLY I HAD A CHANGE OF OPINION ON THIS. A HUGE TOM WAS CAUGHT WITH SIX TOP HOUNDS ON THE GROUND. THIS LION WAS NOT LIKE ANY I HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE. AS I GOT HIM OFF A ROCK HE WAS BAYED ON WITH A LONG STICK, HE WENT INTO A BLUFFED OUT AREA , AS HE WENT INTO THE ROCKS HE MADE A SOLID STAND TO ATTACT THE DOGS. HE WAS BENT ON KILLING ALL THE DOGS. HE HAD THE HOUNDS SHUT UP AND RUNNING FOR THERE LIVE'S BEFORE THEY COULD REGROUP. THE CAT HAD ENOUGH OF THE DOGS BITING HIM TO FINALLY TREE. COST OF THE DAMAGE TO THE HOUNDS WAS HUGE. I KNOW FIRST HAND, HAD I HAD ONE OR TWO DOGS THAT STICK I WOULD NOT HAVE A DOG, AS THIS CAT WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM . THE ONLY REASON BEING WAS WE HAD ENOUGH MUSCLE POWER TO TREE THIS CAT. MY GUIDE BUDDY HAD TWO HOUNDS KILLED BY A LION ,THE NEXT DAY SIX DOGS WERE PUT ON THIS SAME LION AND IT TREE LIKE A SQUIRREL.HARD TO EXPLAIN ANIMAL BEHAVIOR. ALL I KNOW IS THIS, I WILL NEVER RUN JUST ONE HOUND ON A LION AGAIN.

[Travis Stirek]

BACK IN THE DAY OF LION HUNTING IN OREGON, I TREED AROUND 150 LION WITH ONE HOUND. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. SINCE OUR LOSS OF HUNTING THEM WITH HOUNDS THINGS HAVE CHANGED. I FREE CAST MY DOGS IN AN AREA THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE MULE DEER WINTER GROUNDS. I HUNT BOBS, I CATCH AND RELEASE SO I HAD NO WEAPON ON ME.BUT AS YOU WOULD EXPECT YOU RUN AND TREE THE ODD LION.RECENTLY I HAD A CHANGE OF OPINION ON THIS. A HUGE TOM WAS CAUGHT WITH SIX TOP HOUNDS ON THE GROUND. THIS LION WAS NOT LIKE ANY I HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE. AS I GOT HIM OFF A ROCK HE WAS BAYED ON WITH A LONG STICK, HE WENT INTO A BLUFFED OUT AREA , AS HE WENT INTO THE ROCKS HE MADE A SOLID STAND TO ATTACT THE DOGS. HE WAS BENT ON KILLING ALL THE DOGS. HE HAD THE HOUNDS SHUT UP AND RUNNING FOR THERE LIVE'S BEFORE THEY COULD REGROUP. THE CAT HAD ENOUGH OF THE DOGS BITING HIM TO FINALLY TREE. COST OF THE DAMAGE TO THE HOUNDS WAS HUGE. I KNOW FIRST HAND, HAD I HAD ONE OR TWO DOGS THAT STICK I WOULD NOT HAVE A DOG, AS THIS CAT WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM . THE ONLY REASON BEING WAS WE HAD ENOUGH MUSCLE POWER TO TREE THIS CAT. MY GUIDE BUDDY HAD TWO HOUNDS KILLED BY A LION ,THE NEXT DAY SIX DOGS WERE PUT ON THIS SAME LION AND IT TREE LIKE A SQUIRREL.HARD TO EXPLAIN ANIMAL BEHAVIOR. ALL I KNOW IS THIS, I WILL NEVER RUN JUST ONE HOUND ON A LION AGAIN.

And her name was Kate!LOL I was wondering if you were gonna mention her or not.We treed alot of lions with single dogs too.Bobbies Horn dog and another male named Rock probably walked to at least fifty a piece with them as well.