putten pressure on a cat?

coondogger80 · Post by **coondogger80** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:40 am

Hey ya'll had a question? What's the least amount of hounds you can run, and still keep enough pressure on a cat to put 'em up a tree?

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:47 am

My guess is 1.

I've tried it with less but haven't been too successful

Ike · Post by **Ike** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:41 pm

Good answer kevin..........

One good hound will tree or bay any lion a guy will ever catch.....but I have heard of people walking into a lion or bear and have them pop up into a tree. So according to them, maybe zero. I didn't think fast enough to ask them if you had to bark like a hound to have them climb though, cause it would have been a good question.

Spanky · Post by **Spanky** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:52 pm

He is not the sharpest crayon in the box but I did witness my buddy run straight at a pair of cubs and watch them both run up a tree and all he did was yell and clap his hands. Now lucky for his dumb ass the sow was not close by or I think it would have been the other way around

As for lions or bobcats....1 intelligent hound! not a poodle or lap dog like I have heard others say in the past.

coondogger80 · Post by **coondogger80** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:00 pm

Ok, my fault, I didn't specify. What I mean, is how many dogs are required to keep enough pressure on a bobcat, to put him up a tree?

The reason I'm asking, is because I heard some talk, that one dog alone can't keep enough pressure on the bob to tree him. The cat just stay's on the ground and basically gives the dog the run around (ha ha).

I have a young hound now, that I'd like to try and make a coon/bobcat dog. Right now I just been aworkin 'em on coon. This is another reason for this question.

Thanks again!

Dan McDonough · Post by **Dan McDonough** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:14 pm

All you have to do is see one go about twenty times. It's like a revelation. That's when the work really begins.

orbowhunter1971 · Post by **orbowhunter1971** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:29 pm

One solid dog can and will keep a bob treed.

Roy Auwen · Post by **Roy Auwen** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:49 pm

In our country on bobs, one dog can useually pressure them enoughto get them up, but depending on terrain and a lot of veriables,keeping them up is another story!
Steep cliffy country and they bail and your chances of seeing them again are slim, no matter how many or how good your hounds are! period!

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:50 pm

I agree one. In reality it is not the barking of one dog, two dogs or five dogs that pressures a bobcat and makes him hunt a tree it is the reality that somthing is after him and is about to catch him. More bobcats are caught with one dog than five dogs or four dogs or three dogs or even two dogs., in most siuations. I know different parts of the country dictate the way you run them and a lot of guys run them with a big pack more like running a red fox, but out in the rockyu mountains and the southwest one good cat dog does pretty good two good cat dogs do pretty good but more than that you blow up a lot of tracks over pressure the other dogs and lose a lot of cats.

Lions I like 3 dogs minimum but one can do it all day long. I just have had such bad expereinces over the past few years with spoiled lions getting one dog out away from the others and working them over or knocking them off bluffs it seems that 3 don't over crowd each other but keep him from singling any one dog out too much.

Ike · Post by **Ike** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:14 pm

I'll agree with you Mike, one hound is all it takes on a lion but three or four helps prevent a lion working a dog over a little better. I don't know that I ever put one dog after a lion by itself, but have had them split tracks leaving one dog to a catch.

high desert hounds · Post by **high desert hounds** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:17 pm

I agree with everyone that said one dog can catch and hold a bobcat. I will cut my best bobcat dog out atleast 15 minuites ahead of my other dogs. she is leathel on those bobs for a couple of reasons. one she is cold nosed, but that would mean nothing if she wasn't fast, and the secret to her sucsess is she runs absolutely silent until she jumps the cat. she is only silent on lions and bobcats. she will open on a bear track. She is a good tree dog she will stay treed and i have lost track of her for hours on several diffrent occasions and there is always a bob at the top of the tree.

Curby · Post by **Curby** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:25 pm

a mature bobcat can be a tuff little critter to hold when caught in a thicket..

having a dog that can catch one dont mean u will hold it at bay or make it tree. i'm not talking about open forest.. talking mt laurel tangle, cedar swamp, fir thicket etc..

one dog may not have the drive to jump on a cat in a tangle to stop it.. two or three may have a better chance.

not every dog is a kill dog. bobcat aint terribly hard to kill, dog just needs to know how. not alot of dogs have what it takes to kill a 30# ball of claws and teeth in a thicket with out getting hurt and sometimes thats what it takes to hold a cat in a tangle with one dog.

two or even 3 good dogs on a cat is ideal if they work good together here.

heres a video of a southern cat bayed and fighting with a bad foot.. it shows what a cat can be like on the ground for the dogs..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLsYVt1I950

high desert hounds · Post by **high desert hounds** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:11 pm

Curby I watched that video. great clip. I't doesnt look like those dogs have spent alot of time on bayed up critters. after time dogs will learn what end is the buisnes end and what end is not. we catch cats out in the sage brush and small rims where there isn't a tree for miles. one dog will hold that cat backed into the brush or rim. In my opinion bobcats even the larger ones can't stand up to any hound. teeth and claws don't make up for a small bone structure. and any dog thats spent some time chewing on a 200 or 300 pound bear ass will make light work of a bobcat

Curby · Post by **Curby** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:10 pm

high desert,
that aint my clip just something i found.. i been a half ass part time cat hunter for awhile now and can just tell you the things ive seen from personal experience here in the country i hunt.
dog should hold a cat once stopped but ive seen it enough to know it dont always work that way.. here.. cant say else where.
im not making bobcat out to be dangerous game

or am i looking for someone to tell me what 'should' happen.. just telling what i ve seen over the years, prolly just sorry dogs

Mike Leonard · Post by **Mike Leonard** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:05 pm

Got a kick out of that movie, and those dogs did ok. I reckon them two cur dogs was glad to have that old dumb hound along that dived in there and got a butt hold so they could do somthing with this three legged devel. Cats are so lightning fast and aggresive when bayed they booger some dogs but they usually go to pieces like a loud mouth bully when a real dog walks into the fight and gets ahold of them. Once an old hound gets them figured out he will do like our buddy from the northwest said, fake the fighting end grabs the back body slam and move up and if he knows his business it's over pretty quick. Two dogs that know them will kill them too quick at times and you better get there or if they will leave a kill you may have a hard time finding him or if they like to pull they will ruin the hide. I big old northen 25-30 pound coon carries a lot more real whoop arse than most cats.

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