Nevada Lion Hunting

houndnhorse · Post by **houndnhorse** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:29 pm

I just found this on another site and this gal is dead on. The Hunters alert crew here in Nevada has finall got enough numbers on the Game Commission to shove this down our throat. If you want to keep hunting lions in Nevada please get involved.

Hello one and all. I'm new on this board and wanted to post some information that is critical to NV and needs action taken now. Our legislators are at it again. Trying to pull a fast one.

First I'll give you a quick history of myself & hubby. My husband and myself live in N. NV. Right now we own 8 hounds, but been up to as many as 15. My husband loves to hunt mountain lions and has done so for at least 28 years, I've been in the mix for 16 years. We have just about every color of hound there is. We live on 10 acres, have a couple of cows, couple of sheep, couple of chickens. My husband is a underground miner (shifter) and I'm now unemployed but was working as a underground Geology sampler but use to work fires and thinking about going back to that game. That's a quick very short who I am. If any of you know Bob Mc from some of the other hunting forums, he can vouch for me. Usually I don't name drop, but this is urgent and I don't have time for you all to get to know me.

A retired Fish and Game Warden got ahold of one of the outfitters here just the other day. Mike Hornburger in fact. From there Mike got ahold of another outfitter and that outfitter got ahold of his sub-guide and his sub-guide got ahold of us, That is how I found out about this.
What they are trying to do (our wonderful government ) is get the mountain lion off the Big Game list and put on the predator list. Than they want to fly to kill them. We do NOT want that to happen. They could have voted on this Friday but didn't and we just found out about it yesterday, so I'm trying to get the word out so everyone can voice their opinion and Vote on this.

Please follow the links to learn more -

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/opinio ... #EnterInfo - Please Vote at this site

Go to Jerry Claborn’s web site and vote on the wildlife survey. 84% of the 178 people that voted said Mtn. lions should be delisted and are the reason for the decline in deer in NV.
http://www.jerrydclaborn.com/

This is a quote from one of the guides

Quote:
Some of the highlights at the legislature today were,

¾ of the time allotted for AB259 to deregulate Mtn. Lions were given to those who supported the bill

they had Dr’s, Lawyers, and several others that claim the answer to increasing deer and sheep is to rid NV of all predators and shazaam….. =o:p>

Mike Hornbarger was the only outfitter who spoke at the session (nearly kicked out of the meeting for name calling)

Larry Johnson was shown (in bold format) the amendment to the constitution that gives the assemblymen the right to address issues and make decisions

Larry also pointed out that our county game boards, state game boards, and John Q public make a great team when it comes to addressing issues and making decisions but was overruled by Mr. Claborn.

There were several people that made comments against the bill. A 26 year old gentleman, cant remember his name, gave some great points. The best being that if we de-list lions, NDOW will no longer keep records of them and all it will take is another team of anti hunters to cry Wolf or in this case Lion and we now have NV’s first protected predator!

The way I see it they pretty much are unprotected except that we have to buy a tag for $29 and take them in & or inspection when harvested.

I watched via internet on http://www.leg.state.nv.us/ go to listen or view and it shows live meeting.

And from what I gather the environmentalist are keeping their mouths shut. They want this to pass, so they can claim that the lions are endangered, and if that happens, no more lion hunting. As it is now, very few units are being filled as is. Lions aren't the problem. Fish and Game is the problem along with piss poor management of deer. Fire is another one to blame. Disease is another issue that can be blamed.

I gather another issue behind this is Desert Big Horn Sheep. Blaming lions for the decline. From what I gather this is a issue coming from Vegas folks. Need I say more ? I just wonder how many have even seen a desert bighorn sheep, not counting the ones that come in to feed by Lake Mead and are protected.

Now the ranchers around here (some, not all) will be happy about this bill, but you got to get them to realize this is the beginning of the end and no more lion hunting once the environmentalists come in. And they will be trying to come in. We do NOT want to be another CA. We don't want to wipe out the lions. Period. We want them to breed for many years to come and be able to hunt them with dogs for years to come.

Please follow the links and vote at both sites and make comments. PLEASE pass this information on to as many Nevadans as you can. The sooner the better.

Thank You
Chasin12hounds

Liz ODell · Post by **Liz ODell** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:25 pm

Information on this proposed action has been in several Nevada hunting magazines/newspapers (I believe the last article I saw was in the Nevada Bighorn Unlimited news). I have voiced my concern several times to NDOW...and I'm a California resident. I don't believe this is sound management, all I see is a bunch of people that want to eradicate lions. From what I understand there are some guides that are already hitting the lions pretty hard over there, is this bill passes it is going to be BAD news for Nevada lions. Now I like deer and bighorns just fine, I will admit I like lions better and as far as I'm concerned they need something to eat too. What I DO NOT SEE being addressed is the absolutley out of control loss of open space that is occuring in Nevada. Earth to humans, if you can only bulldoze and build on so much land before you start to see negative impacts. Habitat loss, especially winter range and migration routes are what is killing the deer in Nevada and in California. Lions take some but believe me we take way more than our fare share through our seemingly endless need to blade the land and build more shit. I have been wondering why more NV houndsmen were not against this proposed bill...I guess cause no one knows about it?

houndnhorse · Post by **houndnhorse** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:56 pm

I think the biggest reason Nevada Houndsmen are so quiet is there really aren't any clubs or organizations to belong too. It's just a bunch of coffee shop/bar discussion with deer hunters and ranchers. I have been argueing with the local guides for years. "there will always be tons of lions", is what I usually get. Our lions are getting hammered, every other truck on the road has a dog box in it, and the miners are on shift work, which means they work fourteeen days a month with seven days off in a row every month. The birds have suffered, and now the lions are suffering, and these guys want to kill more of them. Heck right now they are deveoloping a copper mine right in the middle of the winter ground for the Jarbigdge wilderness area. Where the heck do you think those deer are going to go? There is no lion problem there because there are several guides camped on that area consistently. It used to be a good place to find a lion track, now, not so much. I've been kicking around the idea of forming a hound association in Nevada pretty seriously lately. Any ideas on who to contact to do just that?

redneckbearhunter · Post by **redneckbearhunter** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:08 pm

i think that some people are dum and blind on what the reali picture is. it is like the holl deal in montana. the hunters need to unit and fight these bills and work on helping all of us. i am with one of the clubs here in sacramento ca. i now liz comes to r advints in galt. we need to do something for r hunting right and be able to have a lion season. we need on here in ca to.

Liz ODell · Post by **Liz ODell** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:38 pm

houndnhorse, didn't there use to be a Nevada Houndsmen for Conservation club? I think the club that might be able to steer you in the best direction would be the California Houndsmen for Conservation, I would go through Irv, he is an active club member and a smart guy he should be able to give you more help than I can. (I will be more than happy to become a member if you get a club going). Irv goes by Plott Proud on this board. Some other clubs that might be able to help you are the Siskiyou Houndsmen, North Central CA Houndsmen for Conservation and United houndsmen. Also I would contact some folks from the Masters of Foxhounds, there are several 'fox' hunting groups in Nevada (I believe there is a hunt club out of Elko or Eli), you can go through the parent website or contact Lynn Lloyd at the Red Rock Hounds outside Reno. I know we don't always consider the running dog people but they have always supported us and they run and catch the occasional lion out there also, they are also huge open space advocates. Its hard to find support for lions among the 'deer and elk' crowd but you might find a few.
Which brings me to another piont I failed to touch on, mule deer do not compete well with elk, and both the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and the Mule deer Foundation admit to this. Elk populations in Nevada have been steadily increasing while the muley population has been steadily decreasing...however due to the huge amounts of money and time spent on elk you will probably never see any real help for the muleys. They will just continue to point their finger at the lions without realizing there are three fingers pointed straight back at themselves. Lions can have an impact on the desert bighorns that they are trying to get going again, there is a pretty cool documentary "Counting Sheep", you can probably get it at the museum in town or you can get it off Netflix.