Karelian Hounds

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larry wrote:went to the griz center in Mt and saw a demonstration on em, video of them doing their stuff. What a joke! They treed one blackie only after they were walked up to it to see it, and they are not turned loose on griz, held by leash to bark as the rangers pelt the bears with rubber bullets. The girl that brought them to the states as this great bear training tool sure did get the last laugh. I talked to the guy that insures these dogs, one has an $80,000 coverage policy, thats 4 zeros and one dog! Imagine if they had just started with some plotts instead.

Now Larry, they don't use Plotts because the bears will freeze from the lack of hair. The enviromentalist would freak out if they know Plotts were used. You should Know this.
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Lynxhunter wrote:Let me tell you guys a bit about the Karelian dogs,because these are dogs, and I know some things about them.

Its right as some of you have said, they are dogs. - To be coreckt: Spitz dogs. In their familie is the Karelian BEAR dog(it's their real name), Great Swedish Elkhound, Vestern and Eastern Laika, Norwegian Grey and Black Elkhound and a coupple more, who is more or less aknowledged breeds. These dogs are bred for hunting, but in a totally different style than the treeing hounds.
They original breeders of the Karelian bear dogs kept "tame" caribou, thats why the dog got some "garding" in its nature.

Originally they came from the Karelian mountains in the eastern part of Finnland/vestern part of Russia. Bred for hunting Brown bear, Moose and probably Lynx.
They hunt with their noses high, in loops against the wind, to catch the direct scent from the desired animals. They were bred to hunt this way, to find the animals that were closest to the hunter. When these spitzdogs work the best(in my opinion), they wont take on an older track than lets say, 2-3 hours. That way they wont trail one animal past another, that is close to the hunter, f.eks. down wind.

Over the years these dogs became more and more moose dogs, because of lack in the bear population. When a dog bayes up a moose, it needs to keep its distance. If the dog puts to mutch preasure on the moose, it'll start running and then there are no dogs or hounds or whatever in the whole wide world, that will put a stop to it!!! This ment that the breeders bred a slightly different dog than the origin and this has given the result that very few of these Spitz dogs, dear to handle a bear in the right way today.
- There is hope though. In the later years bear population has increased in Scandinavia, so now a lot of breeders are trying to get back the genes that once run in their weins, when these dogs were predator hunters.

If you want to see some pics of brown bears hunted with hounds go to this page: http://www.plotthund.se
Its in Swedish, but the pick(bilder) are the same anyway.

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Thank you for your input.
Nice pics of dogs. I can see you guys have figured out what works for those grizz.
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Jupp, Rasmus with friends have done some amazing work both hunting style wise and with them plotts. Remenber also that we are only alowed to have two hounds loose at any given time....
- But you know how it is with hounds, even though some have fund a way to make things work, there is always an idiot(me) who thinks things can be done in a different/better way.....

If you go to: http://www.swedishchasseur.se
you can order a DVD that shows some brownbearhunting with hounds in Sweden.

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The link doesn't work.

If you can only run two dogs on those Brown bear, I see why you hunt Plott's!
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woo woo go plotts get them brown bears :beer
its better to tree and let live then tree and kill to never be ran again
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Sorry.
Typing error in the URL. Try it now.


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"I'd like to tell you 'bout a known bunch of foxhounds I've got. Ol' Rain, ol' Tiger n' ol' Rover. When we started out 'cross them Georgia hills huntin' them foxes, it sounded somethin' like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syc3jKGffHQ"

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This is a hunt I made in Sweden last year using plotts. A good beardog is a good beardog, regardless if it is a brown bear or a blackbear.
Sweden does have some game laws that are not bearhunter friendly. Like Lynxhunter said, only 2 dogs are allowed on a bear at once. No baiting is allowed & once u turn the dogs loose, u have to walk from that point. Sweden is the hardest place I have found to track bears because of all the rocks & gravel roads. However a good straight rig dog would be a dream up there.
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Hans, nice video. The cat gives chase on a Plott. What is the breeding of that Plott, and where did you get it from?
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Hey Cajun, that is a beautiful saddle back in the top photo. If you don't mind, what is the breeding?
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She belongs to Mikel Tham from Sweden & she is White Hollow bred(Gene White)
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Just to be clear, none of these hounds are mine. These are hounds and hunters are from Sweden.
From what I know, are the hounds on the pages I've put links on here, all Ursus bred by Steve Mohr in B.C.

Never thought that I would get a Plott..., but a friend of mine with Plotts out of the Ursus line had an axident couple of days ago and he made me promise that I'd take one....

Hey guys, maybe we should move this Plott/Sweden discussion over to the Plotthound pages. Fell like I'm part of (beep) up Bobs thread here...

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Hans,
Where are the plotthound pages? I am new to this forum, but I am enjoying it immensely.
Bob, I too am sorry straying from the intended subject.
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Sent you a PM.

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"I'd like to tell you 'bout a known bunch of foxhounds I've got. Ol' Rain, ol' Tiger n' ol' Rover. When we started out 'cross them Georgia hills huntin' them foxes, it sounded somethin' like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syc3jKGffHQ"

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Hans,
Did not receive it, if u sent it to me.
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