Plott guys only

[larry]

So I have been wondering why it is that the B&T guys have a thread or two going on here highlighting and discussung that breed, and no one has bothered to tell them that their choice is inferior, exactly the opposite when us plott guys get to talking about our dogs. the "question for plott guys only" thread comes to mind. Lots of non plott people decided to throw on thier .02. It should be interesting to see how long they can hold their tongues on this one. So, to you plott guys, why is that?

[reed]

No reason to waste any more time on a crappy dog than you have to right?

[larry]

good point Matt

[onalimb]

For one they like to tell us our dogs don't do the things we all see them do. Just because a lot of theirs won't do the same. I.E. remember the boys claiming there's no way a pack of dogs could stretch a healthy bear?
Some talk about a 2 1/2 hour fight like that's some monumental feat, and the same guys call B.S. on dogs that have hit the 12 hour mark, or went until the next morning in a bad area on a crappy bear. I've been told to bring mine up Grizz hunting to see what they're made of! I'm sure I would see lot's of blood and guts and hair all over, I already know what they're made of, and I also know if they bite one like they do a black bear, chances are they are going to die. But others have long distance bay dogs that don't apply pressure, so they can hunt them on grizz, and those dogs must be superior?
Most don't believe we cull hard as far as breed keepers, and the ones that do, figure we have a lot more culls than their breeds, because they wait until a dog is two years old to make up their minds about dogs we wouldn't keep for 6 months.
There are a lot of good guys with different breeds on here, but there are some that could never own a really good pack of Plotts, because the don't have the two things nessesary to back those dogs up, B@lls.
I get a kick out of reading how someone called their dogs off a bear, or even a tree. Hell, I have to drag mine away, and I don't even want a dog that can be called off. JMO
And then we have the guys who owned one Plott that was always going to the vets, because they were slow and stupid? I think more often than not, they might have been the only real bear dog there and had no backup. At least from what I've seen around this neck of the woods; guys sell those dogs, and when they do kill one on the ground, it's crossing a road, or feeding along not paying any attention to their 4 legged bear locators, that refuse to lay a fang to a bear.
And last but not least, we all belong to the Plott Cult, and all our dogs are alligators, that fight amongst them selves, and every other dog they come in contact with.
Those are just some of the reasons we can't have a thread without interjection from some of the other breed guys. THEY DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW. If their dog doesn't or won't do something, than it's impossible for any of ours to do it. Because every breed is equal.
And their breed is not inferior, those dogs suit them because it's all they can handle.

[PLOTT88]

WELL SAID PRESTON!!!!

[BlueRooster]

i am only going to post once, i try not to get involved, but you so called plott guys crack me up, i have hunted with a ton of plotts and yes they get a bad rap from people that really dont them but the worst is people that have them and talk the way you guys do, a good plott is worth there weight in gold are they the best bear dog around, i think that is going to far there is some damn good big game and bear breed dogs out there that are not plotts, i have owned some nice plotts that in my mind will go down as some of the all time best bear dogs, so as you can see i am not a plott hater, but if you internet hunters dont get off your high horse and stop bashing any one who dont agree with you the plott breed is doomed.

[Cold Track]

I have to agree, to make statements about how they are the greatest is an ignorrant statement. It tells me the you really haven't been around to many good houndsmen with other breeds. I have also owned some decent plotts, but don't now. Some of the loud arrogant comments made are typical and the reason you might think everyone is against plott hunters, it's not the dogs it's the idea of being called a plott guy. Believe me most serious houndsmen have tried every breed, you don't know any special secret remedy by running just plotts.

[rocket]

I don't really post a lot on here just like to see what everyone has to say. I get a kick outta the way people take offense when you talk your dogs up a little. It's all in good fun. I prefer Plotts because they work for me. When we stand up for our breed of dog people get pissed and call us blowhards. What do you expect us to do, roll over and say "yeah Plotts suck". Plotts are what work for me and also for the majority of the hunters around me also. The reason some people get so bent outta shape is that deep inside they fear they have an inferior product. If I thought I'd catch more game with a different breed I'd be using it. I've seen a few good beardogs of a different breed but nothing that really interests me. I like my Plotts and am a strong Plott supporter and if that's a crime then shoot me.

[norcalkemmer]

I've caught bears with plotts and i've caught bear with walkers. I don't think people want you to say "yeah plotts suck" i think most people get offended when guys that run plotts make statements like "all dogs except plotts are inferior bear dogs" when most of us already know what really catches bears is a good dog, no matter what the breed. some people don't know how to bite there tongue when they hear bulls#!t statements like that. i have a mix of dogs as well as the people i hunt with, and we run lots of differant breeds and all of them catch or will catch bears. not one of them is a plott. so i guess you don't have to have a plott to catch shit. by the way my kemmer is as gritty as any plott i had, and my cascade bred plotts were mean as hell and tough as woodpecker lips.

[Jake Bell]

I love my plotts, wouldnt trade them for a million bucks, but there are great dogs in every breed, just have more success with them old ugly brindle things. Any man can breed a great line of bear dogs if he really applies himself, ive just found that the majority of plott guys do more huntin then bull shittin, cull hard and just know dogs, now that being said there are very many great bear hunters with other breeds of dogs that have top notch dogs also, but at the same time there are alot of bull shitters, back stabbers and just plain culls out there to make some money, and thats true in every breed but more predominant in the popular breeds. dont let one or 2 guys who like to talk up there dogs ruin a breed for everybody. but im not going to lie, id rather people not care for plotts, it just means there will be less arse holes screwing up the breed for what every hunting breed was meant for and that is to CATCH GAME!

[nmplott]

I have tried several types of hounds, curs and terriers, the best I have had are plotts but my one blue does exceptional. My dogs all have to be drug out of tree and if on a leash will drag you back to that tree, that is how I like them to have that desire and the intelligence to know that the animal is still game until its dead. My dogs have to meet certain qualities: safe around people, intelligent, desire and catch game not just run to catch but catch game. To me a dog is either worth keeping and breeding or culled and the only time I will have a dog that is fixed is if it got injured and needed to be fixed to live.

[whoflungdung]

[bearcrplotts]

I have only been to this site a few times, there are some good legitimate posts on here and there is alot of BS. Probably more good than bad but still too much BS for me to look here regularly. I saw this post and the post about the BEST BREED FOR BEAR a week or so ago, and some of the replies, and it kind of pissed me off. So I had to come back and join to be able to post so here goes.
I hunt plotts and I am proud of it. And yes I think they are the best breed for the game I hunt. Sure there are average, good and great bear dogs in every breed. But as a complete breed, and I mean every dog EVER produced in that breed, if you compared the Plott breed to whatever other breed you want, the Plotts will have more bear dogs on the good and great end of the spectrum than any other breed, hands down. Why? Because THATS WHAT THEY ARE BRED FOR. Yeah some are coon hunted. Some of these dogs have never seen, and may never see a bear. But, if you looked at the lineage of those dogs what would you find not very far back? BEAR DOGS, and not just average bear dogs, great bear dogs.
For those of you that consider plott owners to be the plott "cult", you are right, it is a cult in a sense. This "cult" consists of people who take PRIDE in what they breed and hunt. People who are dedicated to the breed. They look back at the lineage of their dogs. Go to great lengths to make to make the right crosses. Travel to other parts of the country to hunt and see what somebody else has. This is why the Plott breed has managed to out produce every other breed for bear dogs and will continue to do so. Because of this "cult". Beacuse of dedication to our dogs and what is behind our dogs that we try to carry on. I guess this is something that owners of other breeds dont get and why they call us a cult. I don't give a rats ass what you call it. I don't, never have and don't think I will ever seen the amount of dedication devoted to BEAR DOGS in any other breed than the Plott.
Any good houndman, and some maybe not so good, take pride in what they have. As well they should. But for a true Plott owner that pride steps up a notch in my opinion. Because we know what has been put into our breed and what the dogs before ours were like and the people that hunted those dogs, and what they went through to produce them. It's called history, and there is not another breed that has the HISTORY of a BEAR DOG than the PLOTT.
I expect this to offend some people.
If you want to challenge me on my theory that Plotts have and will outproduce all other breeds for bear dogs, go for it.
I wont answer any bullshit, name calling posts. I'm sure there will be some and don't expect a reply. It's not worth my time or yours.
Chris Leyden

[Lynxhunter]

Guess I'm walking straight into your trap here Larry, but some thoughts came into my not to bright head...
All these breed dicussions looks somewhat simmilar to some other discussions going on in the rest of our lifes. If a gay drives a Chevy, - Try convinsing him to buy a Ford if the Chevy works for him..... I use a Marlin 1895 GG in 450M when I'm hunting for big game and some of my friends have tried convinsing me that other guns are better, but the only thing I'm going to change it for, is another one just like it!

I'm truely impressed with the things you "Plott guys" tell about your hounds and I believe what you say. So if I'm ever blessed enough to save up some money, I'll put an offer on here to see if anyone of you would take a green Norwegian out in the woods with your Plotts, so I could see for my self how these dogs work. I'm betting it would be a blast.

Hans

[norcalkemmer]

some people. you stated lot of "facts" i was just wondering were you got your information. don't you realize people are going to use what they like and what works for them? Plotts are "the best bear dogs" is a overstatement. they are just like most of the other breeds, they have good dogs as well as shitty ones. I think if you are happy with your dogs and they catch you game them you must have made the right choice. don't get me wrong i care about the history of the dog breeds but can care less if the dogs in her ped. were bear dogs or coon dogs just as long as mine will hunt what i want them to. my pup is bred nice enough that she will hunt what ever you want just as long as she are being hunted. i like a dog that is just bred to hunt and will hunt whatever you want and do it like the best.