Bears not treed/caught

[Dan Edwards]

You buy, I'll "fly".

I'm quite sure you have better dogs than me Ike cause I know that my dogs cant catch em all. I'll stick to what I have already said, some just cant be caught.

[blackpaws]

some just cant be caught.

100% true. it amazes me when them dang things can just flat run like a coyote getting shot at. example: the bear crosses the road and you burn up and drop the tailgat and unload the box of fresh dogs right behind the bear. you catch the tired dogs that come on the bear. you hurry up around the other side of the section and there goes the bear way up in front of the truck. you pull up expecting the dogs to be right there but somehow they got 5 minutes behind the bear. happens to me a lot.

[chilcotin hillbilly]

Man am I glad we have slow bears in BC as this sounds like to much work. The bears here don't see any hound hunters other then myself so the seem to tree easy compared to what you guys talk about. Only once last year I didn't get one up and that was a large old boar and I had put my black and tan on it alone just to get a feel for what the hound was made of. The hound stayed on the bear but never put enough pressure to get it up.

[Nolte]

It's not a tree unless you grab a dog and pull them off of it. That is the definition that is used around here for as long as I can remember. We did get to cheat on one this year though because as we were running it ran across a highway and got smoked by a car. Called up the DNR and got a collison tag for it and had a bear feed. Would we have treed it, don't know, but it really doesn't matter when it's on the cooker.

I suppose a guy could go whack a buck, prop it up, shoot it again and say he shot 2 bucks.

Unless you have visual proof, how do you really it is treed. Furthermore, why wouldn't a guy just let the bear down a dozen times and say he treed a dozen bear. Probably because it's the wrong definition.

Dogs don't need credit.

[Black&TanMan1]

Nolte I guess Im going to have to change the way I count my bear trees. Id be closer to 60 then 40 some I did count. I suppose we need to start counting cubs beings the dogs put them up as well. Hell I could really get my numbers up then.LOL
All jokes a side and Ike Im just teasing you some not trying to get personal. I don't always agree with Smiley but hes right about what he said. I remember the first year I hunted my young dogs by themselves and for some reason I was getting into those jumpers couldn't understand it then an old gentleman explained it to me. He said that those young dogs have the drive and ability to put them up a tree but are lacking the confidence to keep them up when they start to back down, I believe he was exzactly right. After that first year the problem just kind of went away, not saying that some bears just flat out wont stay put, we've all scene that. Heres another ? those bear that seem to want to jump does it appear that they are the smaller bears say under 175lbs or the larger ones that do it more frequently. My experience has been the smaller ones are the worst.

[Bigbear]

Theres a bear out on San Arroya ridge you can run day after day and your dogs will catch up with him and bay him up for short seconds at a time but he has never treed or stayed in one spot we go father and farther with him everytime we run him, We try and surround him and hell smell you and go a different way. So i dont care how good your dogs are or how good of hunter you are or how well the hunter behind the dogs are, you still will not tree or bayup every bear.So Ike is what im saying is come to the books will put you on this bear and will see if the wolf pack can tree him. I will be more than happy to shoot this bigboy behind your dogs if i can ever draw the tag. Been chasing him every year for the last 5 years and chasing him at least 10 times during the seasons. I can name alot of houndman that have tried and come up with the same conclusion i do SOME BEARS CANT BE CAUGHT.

[Trueblue]

Maybe we should just start counting one every time a tree switch goes off.

[Smiley]

I believe all bears can be stopped . when i had bear dogs I enjoyed going with guys to places that they could not tree or bay up the bears ( bay up solid ) and EVERY time we treed or bayed up solid . I did that for 4 years Never had one get away . At that time I never said i was going hunting I all ways said i was going catching today.

[Ike]

.So Ike is what im saying is come to the books will put you on this bear and will see if the wolf pack can tree him. I will be more than happy to shoot this bigboy behind your dogs if i can ever draw the tag.

I've spent alot of time down in the Book Cliffs since about 1978 I believe, so what is that thirty years? And it's possible you can show me something about the Book Cliffs or hounds or bears, but odds are I've seen most of it, so thanks but no thanks bigbear.

I do remember one trip down to the Books six or eight years ago with a good friend and young hound hunting buddy. We started a really nice boar down in that country you're talking about, it was just east of Dick Canyon and Fatty Canyon and came off that dougway that rolls east into Colorado. That boar was headed west and south and we shipped nine dogs down the tracks just after daylight.

We spent all day trying to get to those dogs and two of our young dogs came back out before dark. You probably know that country, but if the dogs are very far you can't hear them and deciding what canyon they are in i pretty tough, so we never did get to those dogs........

My buddy and I spent the night on the Divide in his truck and everytime I woke up I got out and shot a signal on those hounds, and they were about always in a different location.

Come morning we drove down Dick Canyon and there sat five truck loads of hounddoggers dumping on what a bear track some kid had found up on the ridge, so we stopped. I knew a couple of the guys and we got out and watched as a dozen guys shipped thirty or forty hounds up that hill. One of the guys I knew had his hands on a big red hound and he was trying to decide whether to send his hound into that mess, "do you want some of this," he asked. I laughed and said hell no and you don't have to participate either..........so he shipped that hound.

Some of those dogs would come back and hide under trucks, others went north and still others went south.....

My buddy and I drove back up onto the divide and our hounds were trailing back to the east from off the south side, so I bailed off to met them. After dropping several hundred feet I could hear a a bear tree below (really wasn't a tree because I wasn't under it) that big red boar climbed down while I was still several hundred yards away. There were six or seven dogs on the tree and lots of them were red and blue so I took my radio out while the bear and those hounds left the drainage. And all of the dogs I shot signal on were banging which showed my dogs were among those dogs.......

Shortly after that my buddies two hounds that had been gone all night came off that same ridge where the bear had gone and we captured them, but mine ran back off into long range beeps again...........

There were a couple other guys that had dumped from those five or six trucks coming down the hill and figured it was there dogs that had had that bear up, so I didn't argue and climbed back out to the truck.......

My buddy and I drove back down East Canyon and east over into Prairie Canyon and started up into the dogs. After a few miles we ran into three guys (one of them that guy I knew that dumped into all that shit) coming down the canyon with five dogs, three of which were mine. He claimed they had seen my blue Ryan dog up in the spiring at first when they arrived but he left and was not with them......

So the question came back to me, "how did you dogs get with our dogs?" I laughed and responded I think the question is "how did yall's dogs get with my dogs" cause they left out on a large boar yesterday morning and have been gone every since....that was Saturday evening and thirty-six hours after they had left.........

It was Noon Sunday when my old blue Ryan dog came trotting down his back into Fatty Canyon near where we had turned him loose. He was not soar footed and seemed happy to see me waiting for him.

Now I won't make any claims about what went down south of Dick Canyon over those two days on the south side of the Book Cliffs, but I will say that ol Ike has been there and done that...........

Ike

[blackpaws]

all i know is that in 117 days i will be running a bear and i don't even care if i get out run because i know it's going to happen. if they tree it i will waddle in and leash up the dogs and go find another one to run. if they catch i will waddle in there and bring my video camera.

[blackpaws]

I believe all bears can be stopped . when i had bear dogs I enjoyed going with guys to places that they could not tree or bay up the bears ( bay up solid ) and EVERY time we treed or bayed up solid . I did that for 4 years Never had one get away . At that time I never said i was going hunting I all ways said i was going catching today.

ahhhh, a full truck load of everybody's dream dogs. Good for you

[Smiley]

The truck load consisted of One real bear dog and two that complemented him very well.
They would help when the chips were down but would not instigate contact till onother had.

[Dan Edwards]

have a drink on me fellas. You gonna need it on this thread.

[Nolte]

Well I don't know if every bear can be stopped, but I think the odds should be well in your favor to get a good kill opportunity on a jumped bear. In our neck of the woods if jumped bear are getting away regularly in kill season, it's time to get some different dogs .

Ike that was the longest post history where all that could have been said was "Had a good run but the bear bailed and we couldn't get in there. Then a couple packs of dogs got mixed up and nobody ended up wit a bear in a tree."

[Ike]

Ike that was the longest post history where all that could have been said was "Had a good run but the bear bailed and we couldn't get in there. Then a couple packs of dogs got mixed up and nobody ended up wit a bear in a tree."

Maybe I'll write a book for you Nolte and just say, it took those dogs twenty-eight hours to whip that bear's azz badly enough to herd him close enough to the road for us to hear the tree, and by the time we climbed our lazy azzez out of the truck and got to the tree the damn thing bailed on us.......... Then sign it special for you by saying........

the ikester!

But seriously I think ol' Buddy hit the nail on the head when he said hunting season must be about over cause everyone is getting pissy..................hope bear and coon seasons start soon!