Comparing hounds

[Big Horn Posse]

Are you people kidding me? Am I the only one here that sees this whole thread for what it really is? Come on, it is nothing more than a new way for Ike to boast about his superhounds and how he is the greatest thing going.

I don't know about you, but it gets old to read the same thing over and over again from him. My dog did this, and my dog did that, and every lion my dogs treed was a tom and I know more about a species than the game wardens. Sorry, it just gets old and redundant.

I enjoy reading this forum because I miss my hounds and the awesome people I have met over the years because of those hounds. Anyone that has ever met me along the way knows I am a straight shooter and believe in honesty and always helping people. It does however bother me when people cannot be humble and do the same.

As for the comment krk said, I found it offensive and in very bad taste. I don't care who you are, you do not talk to a lady like that. Just because a woman hunts and had hounds doesn't mean you can talk to her like one of the boys. Again that is just me I believe in the old school way.

[pete richardson]

I don't care who you are, you do not talk to a lady like that. Just because a woman hunts and had hounds doesn't mean you can talk to her like one of the boys. Again that is just me I believe in the old school way.

tessa ,,,, dont you believe in equal rights for women

ok ok -- im sorry , im bad for that comment

dogs that are straight, rig, handle , are definately worth more to me---


i have let dogs out to empty and had them run off and tree a bear - despite me trying to call them back-that was ok - some of them , it could have just as well been a moose -

it takes alot out of me when i dont know what they are running --- or cant call them when i want to-


have hunted some about as wild as coyotes and its stressful - usually have a few like that --
they are "in training"

and some that behave just a little better

[Ike]

Anyone that has ever met me along the way knows I am a straight shooter and believe in honesty and always helping people. It does however bother me when people cannot be humble and do the same.

ike

[Ike]

tessa ,,,, dont you believe in equal rights for women

ok ok -- im sorry , im bad for that comment

You got a point there Pete, man woman or child, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it......

[Houndhead]

I have to agree with BHP on this one,I think this is just a post by Ike hoping everyone will tell him how great his dogs are and what a great houndsman he is.

To answer your question Tuco, if a tom lion track is catchable my hounds are gonna catch it..............

I have never seen a dog that yet that could catch one from a uncatchable track.

[reed]

Let's look at the question and not into it.

The question is you have one dog that can start a track and finish it. Be it from a bait or let out of the truck on top of said track. The second dog can do the same except it can also be dropped off the rig and find the track itself, where the first dog can't.

To me the second dog has more value as you can hunt it in more situations. It does more things that are beneficial to you.

[Catman]

Well if that is the question then yes. The dog that can strike a track off the rig....be put on the ground...and trail the same as the number one hound. That is the dog I would think anyone would want...I mean why wouldn't you?
I like a dog that will handle. I can't call my dogs off of a track that they think they are going to catch, but I wouldn't have turned them loose if I didn't want them to catch it so RARELY do I try. I have left my hounds on the mtn. a few times as they weren't done trailing yet, but I was never close enough to them to call them off so even if they could have been called off...it wouldn't have mattered. I have stopped my dogs when trailing one backwards by a little electricity...not enough to discourage them, but enough to get their attention. And I am guilty for leashing my dogs up when walking from game in a tree.....Nothing to do with the dog....just I am to lazy to walk back if they decide to go back. Tri-tronics is a very valuable tool and if a person wants...I don't think there is anything you cannot teach a good dog with patience and the right tools. I guess most of the discussion is what do you expect out of your dog? I expect mine to handle pretty good.....if let out of the truck I don't want them heading down the road at 50.....I expect them to know their names.....I will not tolerate fighting no matter what, and I really don't like them running fast game But most of all I expect them to try their best to catch the game I put them on and if they do that consistantly...I can put up with a hole here and there in a hound. My hounds are far from the best...I do catch some game here and there, they have a decent handle on them for young dogs, but I know I will never expect them to do what some like in some areas as much as I know I expect more out of them than others might in other areas. One thing I have learned is everyone likes a little something different in a hound....thats why God made plotts for plott lovers, and walkers for us that like to chase deer

[Nolte]

Sorry, but this poll doesn't make sense to me. I come across lots of runnable/catchable tracks that won't ever be rigged. I don't care what dog is up on the platform. Every single runnable/catchable track off the rig has to runnable/catchable off the ground. It has to be by definition. The only real difference is "who" or "how" the track is found. The second dog that can do it off the rig is most likely just a better dog.

Now I don't have any great shakes of rig dogs but I manage to catch a few critters doing it. I think it has more to do with reading/knowing dogs than anything else. I like hunting around guys that only rig hunt, it leaves more tracks for me to try other ways. But sometimes it's the only game in town and then a guy might as well play.

If I needed to get to Salt Lake City, I've got a lot of options to do so. Hop a plane, catch a bus, drive myself, ride a bike, or hit the road walking. I could get there 100 times going the first route vs maybe once with the last. I'm not sure what difference it makes to anybody else what method I choose as long as I get there. And most people probably wouldn't give a crap if I made it. But if my chosen method was only getting me more to Cheyene than to SLC, I'd probably choose something else.

[Ike]

Maybe you can't make any sense out of it because it's spring nolte? Cause I sure as the hell couldn't make any sense out of your post.....something about you are coming to Salt Lake but might only make it to Cheyenne, just don't understand. But if you make it that far you might as well stop by and I can give you directions!

But back to your topic nolte about how you find plenty of runnable/catchable tracks that won't be rigged. I remember you posting over one of the other boards how a rig dog that would strike a cold track was pretty rare and special. How if a guy has a dog like that he can run about anytime he wants. And it seems you went on and on about this type of dog. Well buds, that the kinda dogs I'm talking about only they aren't nearly are rare as you think! I am glad, however, that you are so smart that yoiu can find tracks that good hounds can't........................

ike

[Big Horn Posse]

Nolte,
Your post made perfect sense to me..... and I agree it is not always HOW you get there it is that you MADE it there. Next time try not to confuse ol Ike by using analogies.... afterall his posts make perfect sense to him, but no one else can make any sense out of them.

[blackpaws]

I like hunting around guys that only rig hunt, it leaves more tracks for me to try other ways.

yeah i think nolte and i are on the same page just because of the areas we hunt and the conditions we hunt. if anyone is rigging a 8-10 hour old track here they have the best dog in this state. not saying it can't be done but it takes a good dog to rig something like that here.

i too like following guys around that have their windows rolled up in the summer with the A/c on waiting for the dogs to blow off. check the road behind them and find a track to work a couple dogs on the cold track. seems to go a lot further come kill season.

[Ike]

My dogs and I learned to run off cold tracks not off the rig, and sure as the hell not off bait. I've found, walked down and helped my hounds hunt up a cold track as much as most people hunting hounds these days. I think for the most part my hounds will rig most of what they will strike on the ground roading, but there sure as the hell may be exceptions. I also know for a fact that my two older hounds will rig tracks that they won't run on bear. Therefore, I'm back to what I have already stated which is that a cold nosed rig dog will often rig tracks he won't run so I don't bother twisting my neck much anymore. I will say that I can get my dogs out about any time I hunt them off the rig, and that is what is important to me...........

I took Hal Mecham bear hunting last summer one day and we rigged around a little. Mecham has been running and training hounds for over forty years, and in his youth was probably as tough a man on a lion track as ever lived. My seven and nine year old redbones rigged a bear late in the morning that had been rained in the afternoon before, and he wanted to try and run it but my dogs didn't seem to want that track much when they hit the ground. Mecham looked puzzled and explained those two dogs are riggin steady and none of these other dogs act like they even know a bear has crossed. He also remarked he didn't know what they were smelling but they both knew that bear track was there and opened none stop.

When hounds open steady on a bear track that they won't hardly start on the ground I agree with Hal and wonder just exactly what they are smelling. But those two hounds never missed a track that day and showed us nearly a dozen of old tracks, many of which we would not have seen ranging from bobcat to lion to bear. And we never found one single track on the road that those two dogs didn't rig with the exception of coyotes. Hal got out and found every one after they rigged. I kind of apologized to Hal for not finding a smoker bear track other than ones near the tribal fence we couldn't run, and his response was he'd been to plenty of trees over the past forty years and that doesn't impress him.....but watching those rig dogs work did. I will also say that Hal Mecham is as good at seeing tracks and sign as any man I've ever hunted with, period!

ike

[krk hunting]

BHP,

By the way you were talking I couldn't tell you were a lady. As for the respect part my father always taught me as a young lad to respect not only ladies but all people, but if you want people to treat you like a lady, then you need to act like one.

Kevin

[Big Horn Posse]

Krk,
I do not know how you can say I am not acting like a lady here. Did I use offensive language or do anything other than state the facts that the topic of the post made no sense at all. No, so if calling it as it is is unladylike than you need to learn the meaning of the word. No I am not a wallflower that is meak and will not call em like I see em, but I am not one to say offensive things as you did to me. I think you need to take a step back there lad and think before you post things like that. It was gross whether you saying it to a man or woman.

[Ike]

Are you people kidding me? Am I the only one here that sees this whole thread for what it really is? Come on, it is nothing more than a new way for Ike to boast about his superhounds and how he is the greatest thing going.

I don't know about you, but it gets old to read the same thing over and over again from him. My dog did this, and my dog did that, and every lion my dogs treed was a tom and I know more about a species than the game wardens. Sorry, it just gets old and redundant.

Then why bother reading them tessa? cause I doubt any on my posts have been directed at you like yours have all been directed at me. Krk called it like he say it, and I have to agree with him completely, your comments only show a person nursing a grudge--get over and move on! If you don't like what I have to say, and my posts aren't directed at you then don't bother reading them..........

It's been you and others that has lured me out and made me talk about my hounds in self defense. The post started off comparing a hound that will rig, strike and handle against a renegade that will go catch a lion or bear if shown the track, and you have turned the topic toward me and my hounds, So what are you afraid of, that I tell the truth? Does it really hurt that much to know what I have tied up in my back yard? If you doubt I speak the truth for one minute girl then give one of my friends a call--one that you have met--and ask them to compare what they have sen from my hounds and yours........

The question once against is a renegade hound that will run down a lion or bear if shown the track less than, equal to or more than a hound that will handle, listen, strike on the ground, strike on the rig, and/or do what it's handle requires of it plus go run down a lion or bear?

And it amazes me that anybody would consider that renegade hound more valuable than one that is listening to the trainer............
ike