Looking for the cascade bloodline...

[plottdawgs]

Just wondering and curious if anyone know about this bloodline and how good it is in the woods. Also wondering if anyone knows if this bloodline is still around and if so who may have this bloodline.

[Catch]

I was on a guided bear hunt in New Mexico a few years back. We were hunting a young man, his dad and mom from Colorado. Tom, the young mans father hunted a lot with DeMoss. He told me the dogs were good on big game, and hunted with the last of Dee's dogs. I would guess they are all gone by now.

Keep us posted on your search.

[cab]

I think any Cascade blood would be pretty watered down by now. Try plott world, I think some of the guys there have a little cascade. Most are using "Ursus" and "Nebek" bred plotts it seems. When you hear of a few grizzlies being put up, they must be getting the job done. They are being imported into Sweden to use on their Grizzlie type bears over there with success.

[plottdawgs]

Catch: Yeah that's my guess too but im still going to keep searching. Maybe I will end up getting lucky and find the bloodline somewhere. But so far everyone is telling me that its either gone or watered done. Its kinda sad cause my dad use to have a cascade bred dog and he was just one heck of a hound. Even tho we only used him on coon and squirrel he got the job done . But I wanna thank u for your reply and I will keep u posted on how my search goes.
cab: Yeah that's what people have been telling me so far and I've been seeing a lot of people using the "Ursus" and "Nebek" bred plotts. So my guess is im not going to find the cascade line cause its all watered down. So maybe I mite just have to give up my search since everyone is either telling me its gone or watered done. But I think I mite try going to this plott world site first and see if I get anything there. So I wanna thank u for your reply and telling me about this site.

[Catch]

Plottdawgs, Plottworld is a good site but I would get on Smithdeal Society. Plottworld has little to no activity and it seems Smithdeal is getting more response from the older Plott guys. Steve Herd is posting on Smithdeal and would know if any of the cascade dogs are around.

Good luck in your search.




If you are looking for some nice Ursus bred pups, Smiley on this forum had some for sale.

[Dennis Fisher]

Dee DeMoss died approx, 15 years ago. And with him died the great Cascade Line of Plotts. But there are still a couple that are using his breeding in the dogs they produce in the Northeast part of the Nation. From what I understand, they represent what Dee's Cascade dogs would do very well. There's also others that have bred heavily off of Cascade Timber, but he was around some twenty years ago and his genetics is long since gone too. If your interested in them, their listed in the history section of the Plottworld site under Dee DeMoss and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to tell you about them.

Just has Dee was the only one that can ever claim to have produced a true Cascade dog. Steve Mohr is the only one that produces Ursus Bred Plotts. He lives in British Colombia and is also on the Plottworld site if you'd like to contact him. He also has a website, Ursus.com. But he does approve others to make crosses that can also be included in the Ursus Line of Plotts. He recently sent one of his better, older Males back to West Virginia to be bred to a couple of different females owned by others that should be about ready to have pups. They maybe all spoken for, but their also listed on the Plottworld site.

[plottdawgs]

Catch: Thanks I will definitely try that site out too. I just wish I could find a cascade bred plott but it seems to me that I ain't going to find one so I mite as well stop looking for that bloodline. And thanks again for your reply.
Dennis Fisher: Yeah a few people have told me the same stuff your telling me. So I guess im just going to have to go to that site and check it out for myself. But im really starting to think that I ain't going to find no one with the cascade line. But I thank u for everything that u have told me and I will go check out what u have told me to check out.

[larry]

You might not find a cascade dog, but, it is very likely that cascade Big Timber was born at Steve Mohr's house (Ursus).

Dennis, if I cross two dogs that came from Steve, how is the result not an Ursus bred dog??

[plottdawgs]

Yeah I don't think im going to find a cascade dog either.

[Dennis Fisher]

If breeding great dogs was has simple has breeding two with pedigrees, we'd all be great breeders wouldn't we. The combination of genetics is a science still in exploration and few hold the knowledge of it's success. Paper is paper. Great Breeders are just that. Just cause you bought the breeding from any proven Line of animal doesn't make you a equal to the great men and women that produced them. And if you are, why would you want to use their name. Dee DeMoss and what he created will always be that. Same with Steve Mohr and any others that create great dogs or any famous Line of animal. You can produce dogs that are equal or better in your own mind and make your own legacy. But they have already achieved that goal few will be able to reach it. You may produce dogs out of the dogs of those Lines. But those Line names nave been taken and their legacies earned by the man or women that endured all the sacrifice and effort they put forth creating them.

plottdawgs, good luck with your search!!! I sincerely hope you can find dogs that still hold Dee's great Line of dogs and still perform to the very demanding ways that he had. When you had a good Cascade dog, you had a heck of a dog.

[Catch]

If breeding great dogs was has simple has breeding two with pedigrees, we'd all be great breeders wouldn't we. The combination of genetics is a science still in exploration and few hold the knowledge of it's success. Paper is paper. Great Breeders are just that. Just cause you bought the breeding from any proven Line of animal doesn't make you a equal to the great men and women that produced them. And if you are, why would you want to use their name. Dee DeMoss and what he created will always be that. Same with Steve Mohr and any others that create great dogs or any famous Line of animal. You can produce dogs that are equal or better in your own mind and make your own legacy. But they have already achieved that goal few will be able to reach it. You may produce dogs out of the dogs of those Lines. But those Line names nave been taken and their legacies earned by the man or women that endured all the sacrifice and effort they put forth creating them.

plottdawgs, good luck with your search!!! I sincerely hope you can find dogs that still hold Dee's great Line of dogs and still perform to the very demanding ways that he had. When you had a good Cascade dog, you had a heck of a dog.

Didn't Mr. Mohr buy some semen from a guy, AI some dogs, and now claiming the pups have more Weems breeding in them then anything else out there? The answer is yes, because the semen was Weems breeding. You need to get off this imitation crap and realize people are showing respect when they say it is Weems, Ursus or Worthless bred. I have a good idea anyone that bought Smiley's pups realize the pups are not from Steve Mohr himself!

[plottdawgs]

Dennis Fisher: Thanks, I really hope that I can find one. Yeah your rite when I had my cascade bred plott he was one heck of a dog. I wish I could of kept his bloodline going cause he was a real good dog at everything he did.

[rocket]

Rodney Burris is supposed to have a line of dog that is Cascade breeding. I've had a few from him that where the real deal. I haven't talked to him in awhile so they could have all died out by now but that's one more option for you.

[Dennis Fisher]

Shane has known Steve for quit a while and I know for a fact that if Shane ask Steve, and the right cross was made, Steve would of been more than happy to let Shane use him has reference. Whether that happened or not I have no idea. But Shane's litter wasn't the topic here Marshal. Has far has that Weems stuff you throwing out Marshal, you don't have a clue, again. Those dogs proudly wear the Ursus name, not Weems. The dog your probably referring to went back to some of the same stuff the Ursus Line started with long ago. Yes, much of the stuff that started the Ursus Line came from Everett Weems. But the dog your referring to was only half from the Weems kennel, the other half was from the Burton Kennel. But all the offspring now wear the Ursus or White Pine Kennel names. All that were involved with that cross are more than happy to give credit and show respect to those great men that produced those dogs. But the cross that they are responsible for, they take responsibility for proudly. Both for the good and the bad that may be produced. But I assure you, the bad stuff they produced won't be something passed on by them. It will be from others that use their name. That's not a form of respect I've ever heard of. Taking responsibility for your own actions, and giving credit for your successes to those that made it possible is showing respect.

[Dennis Fisher]

plottdawgs. I hunted with Dee when he lived here for about 5 years. A amazing fellow with tons of knowledge. He was getting up in his years by then, but you ought to have seen his trophy room. The man traveled all over the world hunting every thing with his dogs. He even took his legendary dogs to Africa and not only caught things like leopard, Lion and Cheetah, but even bayed up a huge bull Water Buffalo and had it's huge head filling most of one wall. Another option you have of finding Cascade dogs is Japan. Dee went over there three times and was made a National Hero twice for saving them from their bear. That was along time ago, but I understand that those Japanese Dog men are very picky in what they have and produce. I understand Dee and the Cascade dogs are still recognized has a legend over there too. Dee had his faults with money, but he sure has heck didn't have many faults when it came to his dedication to hunt and his great dogs.