Regional taxidermy costs for lifesized lion mounts

[Catch]

Forget the lion mounts. I would like to see the photo of that huge lion your lady friend killed. As far as cats being the hardest animal to mount I have to agree. Most lions I see mounted are so far from being realistic it hurts.

[wrbutler]

I should have know you two were friends you like to verbally bash women and he likes to punch my wife. Next time will be a different outcome when i havent been drinking. any way when you get permission from you know who then i'll post the pic of her and the cat? ok? you let me know.

[larry]

Thats wierd, thought you said you were gonna post that pick up, nothing about permission??? It's ok, I have already heard it was pushin 80 lbs, I'll hear about what a quality job you do on it too I'm sure. Man you sure like to play the harrassed abused woman card don't ya! So I was just wonderin, next time when yer not drunk and things will be different, are you gonna call the cops again???

[wrbutler]

yeah next time he hits my wife i will. if you want to talk call me you can get my number, last time i called you you just hung up so its your time to call back, i'm tired of typing, this will just go the same place it went last year, nowhere. call me i'll be looking forward to your call.

[wrbutler]

there ya go 120lb tom. take it or leave it thats what it is.

[wrbutler]

why are you so intrested in the seeing a picture, if i remember right you said you saw me driving back the same day with the cat on the dog box. if i had your exact quote i'd post it. so you should know exactly how big it was. but no you werent within 200 miles of us that day, your just lying out your !!!!. like i said done typing i looked u up last year now its your turn to pick up the phone. talk to ya soon.

[larry]

You're married??? i didn't know they allowed same sex marriage here....

you're full of BS is what you are. I'm not spending any time trying to get your number, if you wanna PM it to me maybe we can get together and have a beer, or maybe not. Please hold your breath waiting for my call.

[Cats]

Forget the lion mounts. I would like to see the photo of that huge lion your lady friend killed. As far as cats being the hardest animal to mount I have to agree. Most lions I see mounted are so far from being realistic it hurts.

Probably not the right subject to reply on here, but here it goes. Since I am the lady friend that you are refering to, I thought I would just finally share my thoughts. I did shoot a lion, that I am damn impressed with at 120lbs. By far the most exciting experience and hunt that I have EVER been on. I could not be more thankful to the guys that took me. As far as how I feel now about it..........Something that I felt awesome about has been crapped on, about how small it is, or polls suggesting that it should not have been shot........I wouldn't trade my lion or my experience for anything in the world, and I just wish that some people would remember, that just because you don't agree, doesn't mean its wrong.
So in saying that, I am proud and here are the rest of the pictures people wanted to see.

PS -- I am always up for a beer, so by all means,

[Ike]

That's a nice lion cats, and don't let the mocho crowd get to you. Treeing a lion is a great experience, and to beginners killing any lion makes it all the more so. Some of us guys have seen enough female lions or young toms hit the ground it just doesn't impress most of us. But there is NO winning with this crowd, cause if that tom had been 160 pounds someone would have been calling you out claiming it was less.....

I posted a tom lion over on monstermuleys a few years back that one of our clients had taken. That cat taped 8 foot before skinning and made the two year Boone and Crockett Records book. But what kind of replies did I get about the lion? Well, a few of those azzholes said the lion only looked big because I was only 5 foot tall, so when I say there is no winning with some of this crowd I mean it! As long as they feel they can push your buttons they will.......



Chin up,
ike

[Cats]

Thanks Ike, that means a lot, someday I hope to have a picture like yours. I didn't draw a tag this year so kind of bummed. But last year was the first year I put in and got a lion on my first hunt, (thanks to the guys and the dogs with me). Just the whole experience of seeing dogs in action, and everything kind of takes your breath away (especially after running an out of shape butt straight up a hill!) I will keep my chin up!

[larry]

Forget the lion mounts. I would like to see the photo of that huge lion your lady friend killed. As far as cats being the hardest animal to mount I have to agree. Most lions I see mounted are so far from being realistic it hurts.

Probably not the right subject to reply on here, but here it goes. Since I am the lady friend that you are refering to, I thought I would just finally share my thoughts. I did shoot a lion, that I am damn impressed with at 120lbs. By far the most exciting experience and hunt that I have EVER been on. I could not be more thankful to the guys that took me. As far as how I feel now about it..........Something that I felt awesome about has been crapped on, about how small it is, or polls suggesting that it should not have been shot........I wouldn't trade my lion or my experience for anything in the world, and I just wish that some people would remember, that just because you don't agree, doesn't mean its wrong.
So in saying that, I am proud and here are the rest of the pictures people wanted to see.

PS -- I am always up for a beer, so by all means,

Glad to finally hear from you, Buttlers BS was getting exhausting! Thanks for posting up the pics.
It's unfortunate that your hunt was crapped on, but it is more unfortunate that you were misled and unaware of what you should have expected out of a special draw tag. You can hunt a lion and buy an over the counter tag in most of the state, the tag that you held was a special draw tag with no risk of quota closure. The intention of this system is to give the hunter a better opportunity to hold out for a mature lion.The reality of it is that you should be pissed at Buttler for telling you to shoot a cat, or not advising you to hold out for a lion that could have been much larger with a little more effort, but then he wouldn't have a check to cash and another tag to fill along with another check to cash.

Not sure how I ever harrassed you as your friend has stated, I asked you about your hunt, you then told me how you couldn't wait to kill another one next year, and the year after and the year after, etc etc. When I tried to explain to you that lions don't reproduce like deer and elk, and that it is real easy to put the population in a rut, you got up and left. That is something that Buttler should have done right off the bat if he were a responsible houndsman, but he is not, he is a lion hunter with an agenda to get a tip on the side,( yes, you gave him money), and get paid to mount the cat. It's great that you are proud of the lion you killed, as you should be. Try to associate with a better caliber hound hunter that is content to take pictures, and try to be happy shooting with a camera every year instead of a gun. If you want to tag along and go to some trees this year i would be more than happy to take you, all you ahve to do is show up adn walk into the tree. When you do get a trophy sized tom in a tree by all means kill him, with the knowledge that you were part of the reason
he lived long enough to get big. Lion hunting is not about killing, it's unfortunate that you were not introduced to it that way. Oh yeah, one last VERY key thing here, you don't have to draw a tag to enjoy the lion season, the killing is the most anticlimactic part.

[Ike]

Not sure how I ever harrassed you as your friend has stated, I asked you about your hunt, you then told me how you couldn't wait to kill another one next year, and the year after and the year after, etc etc.

It's great that you are proud of the lion you killed, as you should be. Try to associate with a better caliber hound hunter that is content to take pictures, and try to be happy shooting with a camera every year instead of a gun. If you want to tag along and go to some trees this year i would be more than happy to take you, all you ahve to do is show up adn walk into the tree. When you do get a trophy sized tom in a tree by all means kill him, with the knowledge that you were part of the reason
he lived long enough to get big. Lion hunting is not about killing, it's unfortunate that you were not introduced to it that way. Oh yeah, one last VERY key thing here, you don't have to draw a tag to enjoy the lion season, the killing is the most anticlimactic part.

Larry is making alot of sense on this post about lion management and not being kill happy. The mountain lion population is a very sensitive species that can be shot out rather quickly in the snow country. And these hounds and our sport are only special because of the game we chase with them. Therefore, all of us need to learn what we shoot in the field impacts others (and ourselves). A still or video camera photo has always meant more to me than a dead cat on the ground unless it is for a client--and I've about stopped taking clients to kill lions because of teh impact killing has on the population!

ike

[liontracker]

I suppose the flipside to the coin, is that there is one more super tom running still and passing on his genes...

[Yaak attack]

Please keep in mind that not all tag holders in some HDs will or should kill mature toms. If tag holders last year only killed mature toms in HD 100, less than five lions would have been harvested out of the 25 permits issued. That would be fine with me, but what a person that draws a tag chooses to shoot is their business alone. You can't tell someone that draws a tag they are slob for shooting a young cat anymore than you can tell a young kid he is mis-managing our trophy deer herd by shooting a 2 1/2 year old 5X5. If it is legal, it is their call. We have a taxidermist here that will try to fill every tag around here he can if only he can mount the cat and get a little"extra" for it. It sucks, but that's life. I passed up eleven dirrerent toms last year and ate my tag. Three or four of those young toms were killed. I chose not to take a cat less than five or six. I don't think there are many that old left around here. When you get a tag you can save a cat, but pushing your managment plan on others just aint right.
On the other hand if the (taxidermist) houndsman took any money for the hunt, he should be run out of town. I can't figure out how a guy that only mounts 5 or 6 lions a year can be a "Big Cat Specialist". How does that work?

You guys chew on that for a while!

[drew]

Yaak Atack- Do you know a guy by the name of Mark Schmitz in Washington? Sorry a little off subject.

Drew