hunting solo----what "Type" of dog

[Yard Dog]

A bayed bear or lion?

Wow..................impressive.........

[Ike]

A person might wonder when it would be a benefit to call their hounds off a bayup and we don't have to dig too far: 1) if a hunter needs to shoot that bear or lion and the trainer doesn't want his dogs shot; 2) if the trainer has had enough and is ready to go home; 3) if that bayup was taking his dogs onto tribal ground where he needs to call the tribe to come escort him to get his hounds; 4) if a young lion or bear jumped tree and there was a risk of those hounds stretching that animal.

ike

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Ok.

I was just sayin, for my sake.

There are some on here, that have seen what our dogs can do, so they can clarify, we can't call our dogs off a bay... We don't want to, we like that stuff, even though if I see Deeds or Socki in trouble I go into a bloody panic lol. A few people can account for me stickin up for my dogs, family, or friends when my heart is racing

As for when the hunter needs to shoot the bear on a bay, that to me scares me more then a giant bear fighting them...

We tell the hunters to put the gun against their head before they shoot, if they don't, we do!

I have been to your website Ike,

I know you can catch game by there and what you say here,

Do you take paying hunters? As you know I am no longer an outfitter myself, so now I get to play the paying client who gets to ask all those annoying questions they do! Like me and dads favorite "What would make a bear/lion/bobcat/elk/deer/yellowed belly sapsucker go there?" LOL, cuz it wanted to maybe??

Anyways, if you are taking hunters, let me know, I would love to come hunt with you, and maybe shoot my first bear

Take care everyone!

[HoundDawg]

Nikki,

I'm glad you clarified a few things because there are some people around here that spent a lot of time with your dad and hunted with him a lot, and they pretty much say what you did... that the Greg they knew would NOT be OK with having any of his dogs leave a bayed up bear just because he hollered at them across the canyon.

I suppose for the weekend hunter that is just out for a little jaunt, has some cheese and crackers in his fanny pack and is anxious to get back to town to his computer, handling is probably the most important thing.

Problem is these days we are taking a sport that is maybe the most wild, primitive thing left on this planet... a dog trailing and bringing his quarry to bay, and we are trying to modernize it and take as much of that wild primitive element out of it.

When the old timers hit a track, they were committed and they knew it. No telling where the dogs might go, when they might get back home, or what might happen. They were generally a foot or horse back and when those dogs opened, they were committed. No big ATV's, no fancy sleds with deep tracks, no tracking collars, GPS collars, shock collars...

Just a dog going down a track into no man's land, locked on his quarry. That's as wild and primitive as it gets. I have no problem with technology and I use it too, but these days we have machines to get us where we need to go, we have GPS collars so we can watch what's going on, shock collars to punish a dog from a distance, all kinds of neat little gadgets to make our lives easier. When our dogs go into some hell hole, many of us want to sit at the truck with a tracking box and munch on snacks and hope the dog makes it out, or make excuses for why we can't get to them. Not knocking anyone else, hell I've done it myself.

We just don't seem to have that level of commitment anymore when we turn loose. Really the only truly wild, primitive thing left about this sport is the dog driving the track, with that same burning desire to catch the game that the great dogs have had for hundreds of years. We breed and breed for that kind of drive and desire, that wild primitive urge to trail that animal into hell if he has to, to catch and hold it.

That's all we have left and I do not want to take that out of my dogs. I guess we all look for something different in a dog, but the best dogs I've ever seen, and they generally belonged to someone else, they all had at least one thing in common....

When they had hot lion or bear scent in their nose, you weren't whistling them off anything from a distance. For the weekend hunter now, who doesn't need to make a living off his dogs, handling is probably the most important thing.

But I will still take that one dog who is so focused and honed in on that track that he won't even hear your whistling, let alone leave the animal and come back to you... I'll take that one dog over Ten who will leave the track and come back.

Honestly, I don't have a dog on my place I believe I could holler off a hot bear track and I wouldn't keep a dog like that. If that suits someone else, fine by me. But at the end of the day, I am still looking for that dog whose drive and desire is so strong that he cares about catching that animal above everything else.

So I guess to answer the original question, what "Type" of dog do you look for... Some clearly look for a dog that handles above everything else. Not me. Give me a dog that still has that wild primitive spirit down inside him, and when he hits that lion or bear track down in the canyon, I am COMMITTED because he is.

None of the "away they went and that was that" bullshit. I want the dog that smells warm lion scent and your hollers fall on deaf ears, because generations of breeding have taken over and it's wild and primitive again. A dog and a cat, in rough country, may the best win and who cares about the dumbass standing at his truck whistling and hollering because he needs to be back home by 2:00 for a wedding.

But hey, that's just me. I don't expect everyone else to feel the same way. But if you are looking for a dog you can whistle or holler off a hot track or a bayed up bear, don't bother coming to my place. I can tell you right now, I don't have it and don't want it.

If you got that kind of dog, more power to you. And have fun at that wedding. You'll probably make it in time with room to spare.

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Hound,

I too don't think a dog should be able to be called of a hot track...

Too many hound hunters get ripped off in the woods anyway!

Year before last dad, me, Brad Evans, and good ol Lane Tellatubby Francom, had a giant bear going, we saw the bear, giant black, dogs was doing great! Dad and I zoned in on them, we grabbed a couple guns, I had my tag in back pocket, didn't even leave the truck before 3 loud shots! Dad grabbed the .44 rifle from me, told me to stay at the truck, every sense I have was at the top! All of a sudden, dad tells me to block a jeep behind us in with the giant Chevy... I had to have him repeat a couple times, cuz when that Anderson adrenaline we have goes off we talk way too fast!

Well, after driving so fast to get that jeep blocked in, I ripped the exhaust pipe out of the truck (didn't see a giant rock lol) I got her blocked in, I was watchin and my pitbull saw someone walking and started puffing up and growling, luckily it was my dad, he told me 2 hikers shot my bear...

I won't tell the rest of the story, lets just say dad and I almost burried 2 people in the woods that day, Game and Fish couldn't do anything, simply because hound hunters draw the short straw in every single thing we do!

People pick up our dogs an take the collars off, people accuse us of abusing our hounds, no one understands hunting with hounds except people that do it!

I was telling my mom about the Utah bear season getting taken away from us... it brings tears to our eyes because it meant so much to me, and more to my dad!

It is easier for the feds to take stuff away, then it is to give it back to us.

Pretty sad when you hear a bunch of full grown men and women say "maybe enough people will get eaten by bears and lions that they will give it back to us"

We will all eventually be internet hunters lol.

Maybe when that happens everyone will start playing World of Warcraft, make hunters, and remember the fun times.
I play Horde if anyone is interested lol!

[Melanie Hampton]

Ok.

I was just sayin, for my sake.

There are always going to be a few people who misconstrue what you say and automatcally take it in the worst way.. I think they do it on purpose more then half the time

Makes me remeber why I quit posting on here to begin with.. See what boredom will do to ya.. You get sucked back into these pissin matches...

I still stand by what I said.. I can call my dogs off of a track (and if you read the orignal post you can figure out what I am talking about) Never said nothing about a dog staring at something or even something jumped..

And I can call my dogs off of the treeing.. Meaning (in terms that I think will be understood) I can walk in, pet them up and call them off ( I still go with most of the time on it) Or I think I can..

Jeez... I'm going back to no posting so I don't feel the need to clarify things with people who want to pick pick pick things apart...

[HoundDawg]

Melanie,

I wasn't really trying to pick at you. I'll confess I didn't really read many of the posts on here, I was just razzing Ike a little because he's so full of crap. Just too hard to resist.

So I wasn't directing anything at you, just poking at him a bit.

But I did figure out why Ike always boasts that he hunts alone and doesn't drop dogs with anyone. It all makes sense now.

He dumps his dogs on a smoking hot bear track and they are roaring down the canyon, and all the sudden his buddy hollers, "Hey Dennis, don't forget your pack and leashes" and those dogs hear him holler and flip around and come back to the truck.

That would suck. I guess I'd hunt alone too so I could maintain the necessary silence so they would stay on the track.

Just stirring it up a little. I got my "fix" so I'll stop now.

[Doogie]

dang Andy thats some sh!tty luck bud

I agree Melanie, thats why I "try" to make short general comments, if I post at all, but for some reason most end up spawning 2 to 3 page threads, this last one was a record with 3 whole separate threads

[Ankle Express]

Nikki,

I'm glad you clarified a few things because there are some people around here that spent a lot of time with your dad and hunted with him a lot, and they pretty much say what you did... that the Greg they knew would NOT be OK with having any of his dogs leave a bayed up bear just because he hollered at them across the canyon.

I suppose for the weekend hunter that is just out for a little jaunt, has some cheese and crackers in his fanny pack and is anxious to get back to town to his computer, handling is probably the most important thing.

Problem is these days we are taking a sport that is maybe the most wild, primitive thing left on this planet... a dog trailing and bringing his quarry to bay, and we are trying to modernize it and take as much of that wild primitive element out of it.

When the old timers hit a track, they were committed and they knew it. No telling where the dogs might go, when they might get back home, or what might happen. They were generally a foot or horse back and when those dogs opened, they were committed. No big ATV's, no fancy sleds with deep tracks, no tracking collars, GPS collars, shock collars...

Just a dog going down a track into no man's land, locked on his quarry. That's as wild and primitive as it gets. I have no problem with technology and I use it too, but these days we have machines to get us where we need to go, we have GPS collars so we can watch what's going on, shock collars to punish a dog from a distance, all kinds of neat little gadgets to make our lives easier. When our dogs go into some hell hole, many of us want to sit at the truck with a tracking box and munch on snacks and hope the dog makes it out, or make excuses for why we can't get to them. Not knocking anyone else, hell I've done it myself.

We just don't seem to have that level of commitment anymore when we turn loose. Really the only truly wild, primitive thing left about this sport is the dog driving the track, with that same burning desire to catch the game that the great dogs have had for hundreds of years. We breed and breed for that kind of drive and desire, that wild primitive urge to trail that animal into hell if he has to, to catch and hold it.

That's all we have left and I do not want to take that out of my dogs. I guess we all look for something different in a dog, but the best dogs I've ever seen, and they generally belonged to someone else, they all had at least one thing in common....

When they had hot lion or bear scent in their nose, you weren't whistling them off anything from a distance. For the weekend hunter now, who doesn't need to make a living off his dogs, handling is probably the most important thing.

But I will still take that one dog who is so focused and honed in on that track that he won't even hear your whistling, let alone leave the animal and come back to you... I'll take that one dog over Ten who will leave the track and come back.

Honestly, I don't have a dog on my place I believe I could holler off a hot bear track and I wouldn't keep a dog like that. If that suits someone else, fine by me. But at the end of the day, I am still looking for that dog whose drive and desire is so strong that he cares about catching that animal above everything else.

So I guess to answer the original question, what "Type" of dog do you look for... Some clearly look for a dog that handles above everything else. Not me. Give me a dog that still has that wild primitive spirit down inside him, and when he hits that lion or bear track down in the canyon, I am COMMITTED because he is.

None of the "away they went and that was that" bullshit. I want the dog that smells warm lion scent and your hollers fall on deaf ears, because generations of breeding have taken over and it's wild and primitive again. A dog and a cat, in rough country, may the best win and who cares about the dumbass standing at his truck whistling and hollering because he needs to be back home by 2:00 for a wedding.

But hey, that's just me. I don't expect everyone else to feel the same way. But if you are looking for a dog you can whistle or holler off a hot track or a bayed up bear, don't bother coming to my place. I can tell you right now, I don't have it and don't want it.

If you got that kind of dog, more power to you. And have fun at that wedding. You'll probably make it in time with room to spare.

+1 - Best post Dawg thats been on this place in a long time and I ain't even read the rest of this BS thread but thats word for word what I want in a dog as well as how I feel about it. Its one of the only things left to do that is "real". Please don't try to cut me short. I've worked and fretted all week, that hell hole is where I want to be. Would have been there all week struggling then too if I could've. Good Post Amigo.

[Melanie Hampton]

Houndawg... I know you weren't so much picking on us but Ike, but you were keeping it pretty general.. My sarcasm doesn't reflect well over posts, which a lot of general comments on my last post were full of it..

I get where your going with your posts.. And I agree..

Heck.. even for being able to walk them out of a tree, the last coon we treed the little assholes wouldn't hardley come out with a leash.. I guess they thought it needed to die and that I was mistaken in leaving it up there... They got their heads knocked together on the way out a few times..

Doogie.. Kinda like a bad addiction sometimes huh?

[Ike]

Melanie,

I wasn't really trying to pick at you. I'll confess that I'm really just a little BITCH and I didn't really read many of the posts on here, I was just razzing Ike a little because I'm so jealous of him. Just too hard to resist, since I'm such a small person

So I wasn't directing anything at you, just poking at ike because of my lack of ability.

But I did figure out why Ike always tells it like it is about why he hunts alone and doesn't drop dogs with anyone. It all makes sense now, since he knows perople like me are little more than party animals and gangbangers, who neither have any regard for the law or the animals we chase.

I realize that I suck most of the time and only come in here to start crap. I guess I'd hunt alone too if I had the ability or was man enough.

Just stirring it up a little. I got my "fix" so I'll stop now.

dawg,
I sent you a BM you little bitch!
(sorry that I had to edit that a little but brent has so much trouble saying what he really wants to say)

[HoundDawg]

C'mon now Dennis, play nice!!

Otherwise I'll come out there this spring and wait until your dogs got a bear stopped down in the canyon. And when you get about half way to the tree I'll whistle and holler a couple of times and your pack will leave the bear and come up to me on the rim. You'll be down in the canyon wondering why they stopped barking, and I'll be feeding them cheese and crackers back at my truck.

But if you'll give me your secret code you use to "send them back to eat the bear" as you so eloquently put it, then I'll send 'em back.

Do I just tell them, "Go! Eat Bear! Go boy!! Eat bear!!" What's the magic word to send them back?

So play nice, or me and Catman will follow you around all winter and every time your dogs get a lion jumped or treed, we'll whistle 'em off the tree and back to the road.

[Ike]

Hell sakes brent, you were out here killing chickens at hickens and fishin at Nicks and didn't bother to call me. You were able to call your old buddy catman to come for a visit but never thought once about coming to see old ike, kinda hurt my feelings. Come on out this summer and I'll give you the secret code that controls my hounds (the same code that my hounds received)


but a warning to the wise, you might look like this after I strap a collar on you brent and input the code......


ike

[ZeluvaRIP69er]

Ike...

That picture alone, has emotionaly scarred my fragile mind!!! LOL!

Melanie:

I can see why hound may have thought what I said was confusing. You can't say anything via text or keyboard that really gets your point across... When I want to sound pissed, people confuse it for me being a sweet little princess, when I want to sound nice, people think I am a bizatch lol!

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't! As my mommy always says (Yes, I call her mommy! LOL)

[Ike]

Ok.

I have been to your website Ike,

I know you can catch game by there and what you say here,

Do you take paying hunters? As you know I am no longer an outfitter myself, so now I get to play the paying client who gets to ask all those annoying questions they do! Like me and dads favorite "What would make a bear/lion/bobcat/elk/deer/yellowed belly sapsucker go there?" LOL, cuz it wanted to maybe??

Anyways, if you are taking hunters, let me know, I would love to come hunt with you, and maybe shoot my first bear

Take care everyone!

Yes Nikki, I do a little guiding for Wild Mountain Outfitters, and provide a service for people who don't have the means to catch their own bear. Labrum has had Forest Service and BLM permits for twenty plus years, and we are both permitted and legal through the new state licensing system. But you won't need a guide Nikki, just draw a fall bear tag down on the LaSal's and post up wanting a hounddogger to take you and they'll be a handful of doggers tearing your door down to run their dogs. Just buy a little gas, maybe bring a few hamburgers and beer and you'll have to chase the doggers out of camp!

But you are welcome to go chase a bear sometime if you like, my box is always full but the seat next to me is usually empty!

keep'em treed,
ike