Bill Green's breeding advisor

[liontracker]

Yeh, the electronic age drug me into the 21st century, kicking and screaming all the way!

You have it right here. He was out of Panther-G- and Fairlee Belle.

[Majestic Tree Hound]

He was a Brother Freckles ? Right

[liontracker]

Yes. Scout, Ann of fairlee, Freckles, Speck and 4 others.

[Majestic Tree Hound]

Boy That was a heck of a Litter !!

[Brady Davis]

Yes. Scout, Ann of fairlee, Freckles, Speck and 4 others.

Does anyone know for sure where all those pups ended up or did Bill keep/hunt the whole litter?

[lmorgan]

Larry, has the Roussou sp? family and their french hounds been historically documented and proven?
I read they were plantation owners with a very large number of french hounds. As for historical documentation in the form of the written word I am not counting on much to show up. Firstly, the people who were the best breeders and houndsmen, probably couldn't read and write - talk about a socio-economic class. Secondly, the vast majority of the rich plantation owners, had what was in their mind at the time, more important issues to write about. Namely politics and large social events. Thirdly, the houndmen of that time period did not realize the importance of what they were doing. I think each and everyone of them thought that houndsmanship was a basic God given right and deserved no special consideration, other than the rare Birdsong or ect.

Tim, don't misunderstand me. I'm not questioning whether or not French hounds were imported or by whom. My point is that my family and I have lived here since the colonial days and I can assure you that there is no solid hound culture among the Louisiana French. We have a very rich hound heritage, but it's not from the French sections of Louisiana. As for wealthy plantation owners having better things to write about than hounds, I can assure you that they wrote about everything under the sun. Horses, fishing, crops, slaves, religion, gossip and what their neighbors were having for dinner. They even wrote about hounds and hunting. Quite regularly, actually. I don't consider myself any kind of expert on anything, especially hounds. But if I were to delcare myself an expert on anything (and I'm not), then it would probably be life in antebellum Louisiana and the deep south. Spending the last 25 years of my life and literally hundreds, maybe thousands of hours in old manuscripts, letters, diaries, newspaper clippings, memoirs, and state archival documents may not make me an expert, but it's the one area that Im willing to stand up and call a spade a spade in.

I'm not disagreeing with you that French immigrants may have been the people to bring the good french hound blood to America. I'm just saying that if they did, then it is much more likely to have happened in other parts of the country with populations of French immigrants. I would not argue, either, that some creoles here may have imported blooded hounds from Europe, but I would argue that it likely was not in very sizeable numbers. Otherwise there would have been a culture of hunting with hounds like we see in the "American" population.

I'm not familiar with the Rosseau (well, actually, I know a lot of Rosseau's, but none with hounds) family and their hounds, so please tell me more.

[Majestic Tree Hound]

Well I'am Starting back thru my 1938-1945 Full Cry's and Found a few More !!

"Greens Singing River Speck"
A 90# "REDTICK"



"Lane's Bill Green" and a Breeding on "Borders Raider"



Bill Harshman / Green Hounds !!

[Majestic Tree Hound]

Vaughn Had a Little Green too .. Just a single sentence that Vaughn Sold a Green Female to a fellow in Mi.

[Majestic Tree Hound]

Another Letter From Bill to Whitey Carroll

[Arkansas Frog]

I love this thread,was that Wiley Carroll?

[Majestic Tree Hound]

I love this thread,was that Wiley Carroll?

Yes George "Wiley" Carroll ... I don't wher I cane up with Whitey ??? My brain does'nt function like it used to !!

[Bow]

found some more stuff to day that ill have to get copyed.some time i have to get some work done.

[Majestic Tree Hound]

found some more stuff to day that ill have to get copyed.some time i have to get some work done.

Yep Tell Me About It John !! I've missed 2 deadlines cuz of this Thread !!! Well anyway its been worth every min. of it !!

I did find some of the "Papers" writen by one of the Fokes on the "Expedition" their on Line at a Penn. State search .. As far as I can Tell their were 4 Papers Writen but I have only found Part of this one online ..

And to Think of it John "Your Grandfather Would have Skined those Jags and that Puma in the Below Photo" Neat to think About !!!!

[Bow]

forth page up from the bottom on the right hand corner with the men on the horses one of them is bill i have the real photo in bills album.one thing to keep in mind is that bill went back to brazil more than ones

[Majestic Tree Hound]

This is from a Apr. 21st. 1930 Time Magazine Artical

About Alexander Siemel ... The One Who was Making "The Movie" while Bill was their ...

Big game hunting, a sport often overrated by the accounts of wealthy pilgrims to Africa and India, is also a profession. Until very lately, the State of California maintained a hunter whose whole duty was to hunt and kill mountain lions. There still are official wolf-killers in France (TIME, April 7). And from South America returned last week Alexander Siemel, professional tiger hunter, with photographs of the adventures out of which he has made his living in the state of Matto Grosso, Brazil.

When he was 16, Alexander Siemel ran away from home in Riga, Latvia. When he was 21, he left Manhattan for Brazil. Thirteen years ago, aged 27, he went to live in the jungles at the headwaters of the Amazon to mine diamonds. That did not pay too well, so he took up tiger hunting.

Natural history books call them "jaguars" but "tiger" is the local name for the big mottled cats of Brazil, which grow nearly as big (300 Ibs.) and almost as strong as the biggest cats of Bengal. Brazilian cattle-raisers are glad when a tiger is killed. They prey on beeves. Few ranchers bother to hire tiger men and the state pays no bounties but any rancher will outfit a hunter with horses and food. The hunter's income then derives from the sale of skins ($40 each, f.o.b. the jungle) and live cubs ($400 each). Also there are plenty of puma (mountain lion) to be had, easier to kill, just as lucrative.

Hunting Brazilian tigers as practiced by Alexander Siemel requires a few courageous mongrel dogs, a high-powered rifle with a bayonet attached or a six-foot spear. The dogs trail the tiger. If they tree it, Hunter Siemel shoots it through the head. (If shot through the heart, the beasts sometimes live long enough to claw a dog to death.) If the dogs run a tiger into a cave, Hunter Siemel goes in after it, spear or bayonet in hand. That, he says—for he is a sportsman as well as a businessman—is the finest way to kill a tiger, in hand-to-claw combat. The spear or bayonet must be sharp enough to penetrate the thick, rubbery pelt through which no dog can bite; long enough so that an impaled tiger's claws cannot reach the hunter. The spot to aim for with the bayonet is the breast bone, a not-too-difficult mark after one has been charged by a tiger a few times and learns to aim coolly. The best way is to get down on one knee and brace yourself when the beast charges.

Hunter Siemel's best dog, Valente, found 64 tigers, was killed by the 65th. Hunter Siemel has killed altogether 107 tigers, three or four each month for the last two years. Of these, 90 died from one bullet in the brain, 17 he impaled with spear or bayonet.