plott+pitbull?

[Ankle Express]

What did you expect from the Plott Forum really Doogie?

[larry]

What did you expect from the Plott Forum really Doogie?

Unfortunately this got posted in the plott forum, guess it's the only breed that doesn't run from bear cubs is why. This is all retarded, anyone that wants to test their theory can come on over and see how it works out for em. It's all a pipe dream and wishful thinking, on the other hand it would be a great way to put a pit to good use, gather all the poor little loving pits that get put in the shelters and kick em loose in wolf country, save some elk and get rid of some worthless dogs at the same time. Hmmm, maybe these wolves could serve a purpose after all....

[reed]

The reason this in the plott section is that no other breed would be able to contribute in a positive way. Where the plott stands half a chance the others have no chance!

The one question that I have though is why you would want to add anything to a plott and make it a lesser dog? If want something better you might as well find another plott.

I doubt a plott guy even started this thread.

[larry]

The reason this in the plott section is that no other breed would be able to contribute in a positive way. Where the plott stands half a chance the others have no chance!

The one question that I have though is why you would want to add anything to a plott and make it a lesser dog? If want something better you might as well find another plott.

I doubt a plott guy even started this thread.

touche'!

[hounder]

one way i do know to thin wolves out is you take a .300 win mag and you go out into the woods and you shoot the pieces of chit i personally know this works

unfortunately the season & quotas won't allow for a large enough kill to matter.

Since when did "season & quotas" matter??????

[Pops]

when you post on a public forum seasons & quotas always matter

[hammerinplott]

very true pops as far as pitts being worthless tell that to the hog hunters i have a toothless old battle axe pittie girl that would give her left leg for my kids and hunt squirrls all day long or trail downd deer any day i ask her to hell on yotes if ther dumb enough to come in the yard

[kirpa]

Here is a link for one swedish invention. I dont know how wolves act around there but here in northern europe they will bite on neck or spine first. I don't know does anyone really know have this thing really saved any dogs life but it's better than nothing.

http://www.hundskydd.se/bodyeng.asp

[Cole H Willams]

How do yu get it to america

[Roy Sparks]

Buy a couple of those dogs the guys use to decoy coyotes. Buy a good armalite ( .308 ) and a bunch of magazines filled with FMJ ammo . Get into wolf country with your gear and get real. Dogs are not going to do the trick alone. If the dogs do successfully decoy those bastards they'll come high tailing it back to you hopefully quick enough . The wolves will come cascading onto your position thereby you'll be defending yourself and your property when they start biting the bullet instead of your dogs !!

Just a thought - Roy .

[Pops]

that's a big part of the problem, you can't legally defend your dogs. you can only defend livestock and maybe not that?

[Roy Sparks]

While I actually believe there ought to be a place for wolves in nature as any other animal it looks as though the problem is extremely out of control in many areas.

As I meet a fair number of hunters from the US it has been brought to my attention how deer herds are being decimated and in the Yellowstone National Park it seems the wolves are even becoming dominant as predators over the grizzly.I have watched National Geographic documentries on the subject. If this continues to happen by depletion of food sources for all carnivores because of one canivore species the results are going to start costing human lives.All those major carnivores are capable of adapting and they need meat in their diets so it is actually inevitable that they will start preying on people.

The wolves will be the most successful at this as they are pack animals, more mouths to feed and they are intelligent as well.

It would seem the regulations instituted to protect these wolves has only their welfare at heart. That is unfair and impractical.I believe this is an injustice to all Americans and her natural resources ( wildlife ).You seem to be dealing with an unconventional mindset there and for the most part any rational requests for better management policies will fall on deaf ears - " preaching to the converted ".

If there is no dramatic change of policy and noticeable reduction of wolf numbers and increase in game herds you would only be left to deal with this problem discreetly and unconventionally for the good of your depleting game numbers.

I suggest stop posting to forums as it draws attention , keep it internal and secretive and get on with it as humanely as possible. Remember the wolves are not to blame for this problem, people created this problem. If you do it, do it clean.

Roy Sparks.

[Roy Sparks]

Guys I am not there on the ground to observe what happens in these wolf attacks so I am left to imagine.

It would seem that this takes place when you guys are out hunting whatever game your hounds are on. When they get to trailing the team of hounds normally gets strung out a bit.

Remember the hounds are no longer within their home territory they just out trailing and concentrating on their work. I believe that when these attacks take place it may well be within the wolves home range and territory ( their domain ).

When a hound or hounds are focused on their trailing work I believe they are more often than not caught completely of gaurd when the wolf pack swamps them. Taken by supprise like this the hounds will assume a defensive and even submissive attitude. The wolves take advantage of this weakened mindset of the hounds and will quickly gain the advantage and kill the dogs or as seen seriously hurt them. The wolf pack is not compassionate in these scenarios they are hyped up to eliminate those dogs.

As a boy we had a huge bully of a Rotweiller in our neighbourhood that had killed several dogs near his home. One day this thug had wandered two blocks down after a bitch in heat.I was returning from sport that afternoon and had my two English Fox Terriers with me.The Rotty had his nose well buried in some plants sniffing away on the side walk and was pissing and scratching marking, completely distracted. Noticing this I set my two Foxies on him.When they supprised him in a flower bed and started biting his butt he immediately pushed up against a fence, sat his butt down in the flowers and started defending himself but through all this he was submissive. They wrecked the ladies flower bed on the sidewalk while she watched on hysterically. I eventualy had to pull those two terriers off that Rotwieller while he was lying on his back. He never wandered far from his home again he was totally intimidated.

I dont think it fair to assume any type of dog is going to stand even the slightest chance if supprised by a pack of wolves and I dont believe a lone wolf will normally try and attack a team of hounds.

Just an oppinion - Roy Sparks.

[kordog]

run wolf hybrids with your pack.it probably still wouldnt help . plott or any other hound cross vs wolf is a losing battle it would be no different than one of us jumping in the ring with mike tyson he is going to dine on ears . when wolves were being chased they had to take a defensive manuever as they were not the agressor man and hound were .they are not being targeted by man or hound so that puts them in the drivers seat .if bears lions for example just fought back with everything they had houndsmen would be getting killed regularly along with alot more hounds .being chased throws a predator off .once in awhile one of those animals does come close to footing the bill though. we call them a bad bear or mountain lion . if the government would take the gloves off us and let us chase them like any other animal ,they would learn there place just as the bear and lion do . which is better for them and us in the end result . just an opinion . houndsmen are the best conservers of predators .

[three rivers catahoulas]

Well I dont hunt in wolf country much, so I cant say one way or the other on what will or will not work. But I did look at the vest that was posted, and I do hunt my fare share of hogs, and that vest wouldn't do a dang thing for your dog VS a hog. More times then not a dog is hit in the neck and chest area's, more so then the rib cage, they do get hit in the rib's to, but most of the time when a gritty hog dog is in there and bayin real tight or tryin to catch they get hit in the chest and neck. And the material it is made from, will over heat your dog real quick, it would help in the water, but it would do more harm then good eles where. And for this thread being posted in the Plott section, and to those of you that like to down talk other breeds of dogs that you may or may not like, or do or do not run. This stuff needs to stop. One thing I have learned in my 12 years of running dogs is, that houndsmen are there own worst enemies. More times then not, houndsmen will turn on each other. This need's to stop ladies and gentlemen. Out hunting rights are on the verg of being taken away from us, we have alot of enemies out there. We need to start standing together folks. I know this is off topic but I read all the post's on this thread and it made me sick to hear how you guys talk to each other. This really needs to stop, cause it will be our down fall in the long run, you mark my words. I run all Plott's but I have just as muck respect for the guys who run all walkers and so on. That is what we need to incorperate into our thinking and logic guys, " RESPECT" that word has faded into the background these days, it's time it became the most importent thing we houndsmen have for one an other. Well I will stop preachin, but guy's we need to stand as one united force, if we want to keep doin what we all love to do.