colorado needs your help

[liondog970]

I'm looking for any information regarding Ken Logan and the uncompagre lion study, writing a letter to inform everyone what is going on. Triing to open everyones eyes on what the left wing is triing to do to our lion hunting. Any help would be greatly appericiated. Thank you

[Benny G]

If I'm not mistaken, Ken Logan worked on the lion study in New Mexico back around '89 - '90 perhaps. The findings reported were skewd to say the least. Big Mike might know if it was Logan or not. I went to their get together in Roswell after the study to hear what they had to say. They reported that the lions didn't eat anything but deer. They never ate a bighorn, or beef. When I questioned the beef deal I was told that the lions never left the study area to kill. There was a rancher next to the study area that caught their tag #1 lion (named Rocky by the "unbiased" reserchers). He was also told that the lions didn't eat his beef. Outside of the lies and half truths that were reported as gospel, the sportsmen of New Mexico paid somewhere around one million dollars for this study that has been used against them. BEWARE!!!! BE INFORMED!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!
I don't know where to find it anymore, but somewhere you should be able to read the findings from New Mexico.

[Mike Leonard]

Benny,

I went to the one in Farmington they did as well after that study. Ken is a likable enough guy and even tried to warm me up saying he realy enjoed following and listening to the hounds. But he has grown even greeer over the years. He is was or may still be involved with Maurice Hornocker of Hornocker Wildlife Studies of Idaho.

Here is a book by Ken.

http://www.islandpress.com/bookstore/de ... rod_id=908


Good luck with those studies. The isolated study they did in New Mexico still set the matrix for all harvest objectives for the state with cougars regardless of differences in ranges and topography.Now brother that's real science!

[Big Mike]

Logan was one of the principal people running the study people in NM. Just do a search under kenny Logan and Sweanor or Hornocker you should be able to find the study. He was working for Hornocker at the time not sure if he still is. He is a likable guy just way to in love with his study subjects.

In Hornockers book Cougar Management in one of the first paragraghs states that sport hunting is going to responsible for the down fall of cougars. He goes on to state that maybe it will be the fragmenting of habitat as well. But thats in print and if your study is run by Hornocker you can show some pre-conceived bias's right there

In the NM study the lions if i remember right didnt kill any sheep during the 10 years. At the same time the study was going on the deer herd on WSMR crashed. The lions started eatn the hell out of sheep since. They also based the densities on the lions they snared. But the year the study was over Les Gilliland killed a big tom that hadnt been ear tagged that was probably in the study area the whole time, so they didnt catch them all.

Before you guys go raising to much smoke do some home work first. Try to find out which of your commissioners are on your side. Talk to them privately first with your concerns. I doubt CO game and fish or the commission is going to want to make much changes until the study is done.

Your best ammo is going to be the study itself. I dont think Logan will lie about the data he collects in the study. His big thing is he feels lions are self regulating and there is no need for hunting. Which isnt true

There is also a study going on in South Dakota that will help alot. This study is really showing that densities are not what has been published in the past. GPS cpllars have shined a whole new light. Dont think that study is complete but you might try to get any info you can from it.

[liondog970]

I am a long way away from raising smoke, just getting ready and triing to inform every one else, so we are ready when the time comes. thank you for your info

[Benny G]

Another thing to consider in your concerns is that at the time of the New Mexico study, Hornocker and Logan were considered on the cutting edge in wildlife studies. Arizona gave considerable considerations to the new study just completed in NM. They even through out the Harley Shaw findings in the study that he did on game & fish time. The problem with Harley was that even though he was somewhat biased, he gave completely honest results, even going so far as to show "the other side". Harley acknowledged that lions killed more than just deer, and that in the study area sport harvest had no effect on population desities.