LION HUNT SHOW"dead dog walkin"

[black eye]

"dead dog walkin" apparently a coyote hunting show slash preadator hunters?
Did any of you see this show????

Well to sum it up AGAIN some guys went out to Nevada(april 2011) ran a female in 8" of fresh snow and GUESS WHAT smoked another 90# female. The host @ the end of the show gave the lion away apparently to small.

Wow is it just me or what "if your gonna POOP in your own bed then roll in it PLEASE dont show it on t.v.

JMO
What do you guys and gals think???

[arizonabeagle]

Agreed.
but then again i've never been a fan of hunting shows, especially predator ones.

[Nolte]

Yeah, I saw the show too. It wasn't a very big lion that they harvested. I don't know what the population status is in the are they were, but if it's pretty low it would have been a good one to let go. I don't think you'd want to make a habit of harvesting that size lion.

I thought the show was ok in some spots, but was off target on others. I remember them talking about predators and how many deer they eat, etc. As soon as you start that topic, you're in it for the wrong reasons. It would be better if they tried to figure out way to get more deer for the lions to eat, not kill lions to save deer.

I don't think the guy gave away the lion either. He just said he wasn't going to mount it, but instead rug it or tan it.

It all comes back to the same old topic though. The responsibility to harvest/not harvest falls on the shoulder of the guy releasing the dog. A guy who's never seen a lion isn't going to know the difference or why some should be let go for another day. This guy seemed to be real excited about the whole deal. There aren't hardly any hunting sports that you can "catch and release", so for most guys a hunt will always hinge on the kill part. With hound hunts many times that is the least exciting part.

[cheat river kennels]

i seen it to and i agree with nolte.

[black eye]

Very well said Nolte I totally agree. If these guys want to do a show on predators then take the challenge and show a RESPECTABLE lion harvest. As of today I have YET to have viewed this on any lion hunting program.

Heres my exception if a young guy picks up any horned game magazine or watches the show it blows my mind how easily the lion is to blame. This is 1 reason were in the dumps for lion populatin in Utah.

I'v just had enough of the uneducated tounge.

[Gary Roberson]

I did not see the show so I guess that I should keep my mouth shut but let me say one thing. I do tip my hat to the guys on DEAD DOG WALKING for have the "balls" to air a hunting show using dogs for most of the shows will not do it. Another thing that many don't realize is that they send a camera out for three days and tell them to get a show. All of us know that getting a trophy animal treed can be tough at any time. It can be doubly tough when you have the hunt scheduled three months in advance and the weather for that three days is terrible hunting conditions.
I agree that killing a small female was not what you wanted to see and I am sure not what the boys wanted kill on TV but to 95% of the hunting public, it was a trophy. While you and I don't want to see the female killed, the majority of the hunting public did. Let's face it guys, all of us are dinosaurs and proud of it.
Adios,
Gary

[M Evertsen]

I have not seen the show, but I am from NV. Honestly, if someone wants to kill a female, then thats their choice to live with. I think right now the lion population across the state is in pretty good shape, and killing a female is not going to hurt anything.

Here are the numbers for the 2010-2011 season (ends last day of February).

In the western region (California and Oregon borders), the lion harvest was 26 males and 24 females (sport harvest), and a total harvest of 79 (inlcuding depredation, 6 on one ranch, and 10 in predation management project).

In the southern region (Southern NV, and bordering California and Utah), there were 13 males and 12 females killed in sport harvest, and 6 other harvests.

In the eastern region (borders Utah and Idaho), there were 49 males and 22 females for sport harvest. 16 for other harvest.

We have a very unique situation in NV, in that California does not have a hunting season for lions, so there is always one to replace one that gets killed near the border. With the year round season, and not many people hunting during the summer, there is plenty of time for lions to disperse into areas where there was high harvest during the winter, even up to 100 miles, or maybe more from the border. Oregon is the same way in that there is no hound season up there. There are also large expanses in central NV that just do not get hunted enough to make an impact, and act as a good source location for lions.

[black eye]

M E
Thats awesome that you get to enjoy hunting in a state with a stable lion population.

The ethics is what chaps me. I guess like Gary said to the general public that is a heroic deed. These guys just showed the next generation that a 90# female dead is cool. For me and what I'v been taught it's unethical no matter the population.

A very good friend said to me "THE DAYS OF KILLIN A LION AS A HEROIC DEED HAVE PAST"

Check out your "signature" killin a 90# female is not excellence in my book, nor would I want to be seen by all doing it.

JMO

[M Evertsen]

M E
Thats awesome that you get to enjoy hunting in a state with a stable lion population.

The ethics is what chaps me. I guess like Gary said to the general public that is a heroic deed. These guys just showed the next generation that a 90# female dead is cool. For me and what I'v been taught it's unethical no matter the population.

A very good friend said to me "THE DAYS OF KILLIN A LION AS A HEROIC DEED HAVE PAST"

Check out your "signature" killin a 90# female is not excellence in my book, nor would I want to be seen by all doing it.

JMO

Well, I was hoping that my comment would not lead to an attack on me, but apparently it has. I have never said that killing a 90# female lion is "excellence." I put that signature in there in reference to being dedicated to the hounds. I used to also get all pissed off when I heard someone killed a female lion. I have also learned to realize that every area is unique, and as a general rule, the vast majority of the hunting public would just as well be glad to see all lions dead. Now, I have a simple phylosophy - if it's someone else's tag, and its not over my dogs, people can do whatever they want. I am not going to be able to stop all the female harvest. Its just not going to happen. I will do my best to educate my friends and other people close to me as to the possible ramifications of killing a female lion (loss of kittens, etc.) I will also do the best I can to make my dogs as good as possible. I have not killed a female lion, I know people who have, that are good friends, and every situation is different, which requires a different course of action.

One final thought - this was a predator show - people will want to see dead predators to leave any good review in the show. It matters not to them if its a 90lb female or a 180lb tom - its still a predator, and that is good in most people's eyes, so thats what the show produced.

Later,


Marcial

[M Evertsen]

Also - I do consider "excellence" is in not judging others. I was not put on earth to do that, and everyone has their judgement day, which I will have no part of.

[Bearkiller]

If the judgement doesn't come from other houndsmen then it will come from the public and DWR. I don't think that's something the lion population can wait on in Utah. I'd rather there be some "judging" from fellow sportsmen then wait for the government to get involved. If people had morals and/or ethics to begin with this wouldn't even be an issue.

[Lost River]

Gents,
I don't think we need to bust Marcial for his thoughts or opinion on the subject. The fact that he lives in an area that can handle a female harvest is his personal observation.
I sympathize with the Utah crew. Montana was in the same boat about 10 years ago. Monster over harvest and wack and stack mentality left very few cats to pursue. I don't think what we have now is perfect, but it is a lot better than it was.
We still have the same group of houndsmen each year wacking several cats, female-tom.... they don't care. They must kill something. I personally feel we should NEVER shoot females... almost never. The MT FWP's own lion knowledge test states females will have dependant young almost 75% of their life. I guess almost never. I guess if you are having some serious issues with deer/elk populations then females are the best way to reduce cat numbers in a hurry, but until they do something about these fbomb wolves then don't talk about deer and elk populations with me!
Happy hunting, Casey

[Gary Roberson]

Down here in Texas, there is no season and no bag limit. Government trappers and hunters are paid to get rid of the cats as most of the ranchers want the numbers reduced. Lions are pretty tough on the sheep and goats down here. The good news is that most of the sheep herders and goat raisers are on the decline. There are some of these ranches that are intensively managing their deer herds are also trying to reduce populations.
Adios,
Gary